Why is it suddenly called fraud and abuse when the "immigrants are taking our jobs" but from the upper middle class?
It’s not called fraud and abuse because “immigrants are taking our jobs”. It’s called fraud and abuse because it’s fraud and abuse. It’s been prevalent in the H1B process for years. Personally, I’m all for America bringing in talented foreign nationals. But the H1B process is bad for foreigners looking to work in the US who get way underpaid and don’t have easy options to work at a different firm. And bad for America…
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#22I was told that entering in as a refugee is the easiest way compared to H1B, Is it true?
On the scale of least horrible, refugee status might be OK if you can get it, but the anti-refugee climate here has never been worse.
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#23Just question. For software jobs. Why is there a demand that can drive abuse. When there are so many people that can't find jobs? It seems like right now there should not be enough demand for H1-b (for software) to justify abuse. Like it shouldn't be profitable enough.
Third are the outsourcing companies, TCS, Accenture and the like. These companies have people in India and contracts with large Us companies. They predict some number of demand for moving people from India to US (to help support the rest of the offshore team, to replace a higher paid employee at the US company with a lower paid employee of the contracting company etc). These companies will mostly but just barely follow the law (they have also been caught and paid files) and will use all loopholes available to them. These are the biggest “abuses” you see in the press. While the general “abuse” news in the press is about these companies replacing American workers with lower cost H1B employees the other problem is they are not catering to current demand but predicting work at a “client” based on current or future contract, creating “job openings” based on this (which they can, it is their own company) and flooding the lottery.
The fourth are smaller body shops and “consulting” companies in the US. These also predict demand and “create jobs” to enter applicants to the lottery. But the difference is typically the companies in the third category don’t get the employees to the US if there is no “client project” (as in, real demand) and even if they they do, they have the means to pay the minimum required pay the H1B demands - they are big enough to afford a bench of employees. The companies in the fourth category will get people to the US first on fake, or near-fake demand and then pitch them to “clients”. In the meantime the employee is not paid the companies skirt the law in all ways as possible to continue “holding” the employee. They also refuse to share paperwork with the employee (preventing them from moving jobs) and sometimes have the employees pay for the H1B which is illegal (but gets to the grey area if they get the payment in India before the employee travels to the US).
There is very less demand today in the first category. The second category is not much related to demand. Most of the “abuse” happens in the third (by volume) and fourth (by severity). Abuse in quotes because a lot of this is in the gray areas of legality and sometimes outrightly legal but not “right”.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because regions and industries that pay less would be mad, and they’ve got lots of congressmen.
Set the thresholds using a countrywide baseline (1.0 = countrywide median household income) and adjust according to the median household income of the city the job would be located in. Also adjust thresholds based on the profession.
A better way might be weighing based on the applying company. Give a weight based on the size of the company and another for the type of company. These weights would be assigned based on the top-most owner(s) and not the applying companies themselves.
Also add penalties for larger companies acquiring smaller companies with H1-Bs that were hired within the last X number of years. Not sure what penalties exactly. At least financial to fund the system, but probably to the weighing as well.
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#25I was told that entering in as a refugee is the easiest way compared to H1B, Is it true?
“Easiest” way is probably getting married to a citizen. On the scale of least horrible, refugee status might be OK if you can get it, but the anti-refugee climate here has never been worse.
I don't think that's the case, anymore.
I remember a notorious case, around here, where a guy had a Russian wife (I have no idea of the background -but they were married for many years), he was dying of leukemia, and required her around-the-clock care, and they deported her.
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#27Just question. For software jobs. Why is there a demand that can drive abuse. When there are so many people that can't find jobs? It seems like right now there should not be enough demand for H1-b (for software) to justify abuse. Like it shouldn't be profitable enough.
There are actually four large “buckets” on H1B usage in software. First are the “regular” software jobs. At the large tech players or other regular companies (eg a software job at a bank). Like you said, there is a lot of supply due to layoffs and not a lot of demand. H1Bs in this area are also limited this year due to this. Second are the college graduates. Once you complete a STEM degree as a foreign student you ge…
I did not realize about the 3 year college graduate category.
But does the law make these buckets? Or is there one H1-B bucket and you are categorizing the buckets by industry and types of companies that hire H1-B.
Don't you think that the 3 year college student bucket, and the generally other buckets, would suppress jobs/salary of the local US population?
They would be competing against US students graduating.
I am wondering about the supply/demand analysis. Do you think that the jobs in bucket 3 and 4, the outsourcing companies and smaller body shops, don't impact US based SW/CompSci employees? I'm just thinking with the current glut of US based people looking for jobs, and new US graduates, that they might also be applying to these companies, and be competing against the H1-B employees.
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#28I was told that entering in as a refugee is the easiest way compared to H1B, Is it true?
“Easiest” way is probably getting married to a citizen. On the scale of least horrible, refugee status might be OK if you can get it, but the anti-refugee climate here has never been worse.
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#29I was told that entering in as a refugee is the easiest way compared to H1B, Is it true?
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#30Since H-1B says it is supposedly intended for high-value employees unobtainable in the US, why not auction the visas, with a reserve price that would prevent them being used to push down wages?