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I Lost Faith in Kagi
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#62I've read the first third of the article and I didn't get what's the author's problem with Kagi. What do they care how many employees Kagi has or how much they spend on t-shirts. Then I scrolled through the rest of it and read the very last screenshot. That one looks pretty bad. > people who really need anonymity are very rare. probably less than a 100 in the entire world. definitely not typical Kagi users > unless t…
> What do they care how many employees Kagi has or how much they spend on t-shirts.
Spending a third of your round on t-shirt manufacturing equipment is possibly not the best sign of the focused leadership that will bring your company success in a difficult market.
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#63I wonder if the t-shirts were basically a way to siphon some investor money directly into their own pockets. Or if someone just thought they can do it cheaper and then ran into sunk cost fallacy.
Interesting to think about/play with
"why pay for shirts or advertising when we can own it?"
Anyway, that's how I felt it happened. Build over buy. Siphoning is an interesting thought
It's mind blowing. The earliest internet ventures were selling shirts that somebody else made for huge margins.
Why take on the costs in-house, lol. Either way: by making it yourself or dealing with problematic suppliers, it's not worth the hassle.
Shirts aren't their business and for those still in it, the margins are razor thin. Madness.
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#64> Oh and they own a t-shirt factory. Maybe I'm being pedantic but Kagi doesn't own a T-shirt factory and presenting it as such is a bad faith argument that does make me question the author. They very clearly point out that they worked with a print shop in Serbia to make the shirts.
Idk about "bad faith argument," because even if Kagi doesn't technically own the thing, they literally said "we basically ended up owning a merch production operation end-to-end."
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#65Subsequently: https://hackers.town/@lori/112255132348604770
If someone mails you
> I may not have spelled this out explicitly in my previous reply but I will do so here: I am not interested in getting more replies from you on this subject. Declining a call does not mean I want you to argue with me about Kagi in email either. I do not trust you, personally, either and do not want to have a conversation about that. And for the record, I read that blog page already. If you had read my own blog post, you would notice that I link to it.
replying with a 1100 word long email is a mood.
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#66The whole tshirt thing is straight out of an episode of Silicon Valley or the WUPH episode of The Office.
If they go down that direction they should at least make some Kagi branded condoms like Ryan did.
> > Not even Google ever printed 20k tshirts to give away for free.
This guy is a total Ryan Howard.
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#67Bad faith arguments and personal attacks. 0/10 woulnd't read again
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#68I've read the first third of the article and I didn't get what's the author's problem with Kagi. What do they care how many employees Kagi has or how much they spend on t-shirts. Then I scrolled through the rest of it and read the very last screenshot. That one looks pretty bad. > people who really need anonymity are very rare. probably less than a 100 in the entire world. definitely not typical Kagi users > unless t…
Definition of “criminal” can change depending on perspective. A journalist is a criminal from a perspective of an authoritarian government.
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#69I think a lot of this can be ascribed to "startups don't always do the right thing" and you have to learn a lot over time. That's said, I've been a customer for a while and the t-shirt debacle is one of the dumbest things I've seen a small company do. Even if you try and call it marketing cost (no name on the shirt makes that hard), there's no way it was the most efficient use of money for marketing. And setting up i…
On the other hand, I see it as evidence that adtech is not in control of the company. Public companies or companies beholden to ad money would never be able to get away with a stunt like that. Can you imagine Meta sending each of their users a T-shirt? At > $40 RPU they could afford it.
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#70I still pay for Kagi for its search but this has kind of been the problem from the beginning with their org. - Search has been a breath of fresh air, I wish they dedicated more time to it. - Orion...is ok? I use it off and on and it is fine but would rather have better search. The premise of the browser is nice but it feels like this could probably be a whole separate company or a purely open source endeavor. It has…
orion is the only browser i use on ios as it supports uBlockOrigin and a bunch of other extensions.
i’m glad they spent the time and effort on it.