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Re: Storm: LLM system that researches a topic and generates full-length wiki article

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I saved a full snapshot of Wikipedia (and Stack Overflow) in the weeks before ChatGPT launched, and every day I'm more glad that I did. They will become the Low Background Steel of text.

You know that wikipedia keeps revisions on all articles. I'm sure you could put together a script to make a copy any time of each page from a certain point of time.

Re: Storm: LLM system that researches a topic and generates full-length wiki article

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Oh dear lord .... sub heading states - Storm - Assisting in Writing Wikipedia-like Articles From Scratch with Large Language Models Good luck with this storm, wiki's the world over. Just a thought but ... maybe someone should ask an org like the Internet Archive to snap-shot Wikipedia asap and label it Pre-Storm and After-Storm

there is this sentiment of Ai induced deterioration and pollution. what if that is not the case? what if the quality of this type of content actually increases?

On the one hand, a tool is as good or bad as the person wielding it. Smart folks with the right intentions will certainly be able to use this stuff to increase the rate and quality of their output (because they're smart, so they'll verify rather than trust. Hopefully.)

On the other, moderation is an unsolved problem. The general mess of the internet is probably not quite ready to be handed a footgun of this caliber.

As with many things tech, some of the outcome falls to us, the techies. We can build systems to help steer this.

Re: Storm: LLM system that researches a topic and generates full-length wiki article

#34

Hmm something about this title containing the word 'research' disturbs me. I associate that word with rigorous scientific methods that leads to fact based knowledge or maybe some new hypothesis, not some LLM hallucinating sources, references, quotes and all the other garbage they spit out when challenged over a point of fact. Horrifying to think peeps might turn towards these tools for factual information.

> Hmm something about this title containing the word 'research' disturbs me. I associate that word with rigorous scientific methods...

The presence of the word "scientific" in this statement disturbs me.

Re: Storm: LLM system that researches a topic and generates full-length wiki article

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I don’t know how well this works (demo is broken on mobile), but I like the idea.

Imagine an infinite wiki where articles are generated on the fly (from reputable sources - with links), including links to other articles (which are also generated) etc.

I actually like this sort of interface more than chat.

Re: Storm: LLM system that researches a topic and generates full-length wiki article

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ai is not able to create original knowledge The current state of LLMs do hallucinate though. It's just not a very trustworthy source of facts.

just like my first teachers said I should absolutely not use Wikipedia. LLMs was popularized less than 2 years ago. I think it is safe to assume that it will be as trustworthy as you see Wikipedia today, and probably even more as you can embed reasoning techniques into the LLMs to correct misunderstandings. Wikipedia cannot self correct.

There's an important difference between wikipedia and the LLMs that are actually useful today.

Wikipedia is open, like completely open.

GPT is not.

Unless we manage to crack the distributed training / incremental improvement barriers, LLMs are a lot more likely to follow the Google path (that is, start awesome and gradually enshittify as capitalist concerns pollute the decision matrix) than they are the Wikipedia path (gradual improvement as more eyes and minds work to improve them).

Re: Storm: LLM system that researches a topic and generates full-length wiki article

#37

Oh dear lord .... sub heading states - Storm - Assisting in Writing Wikipedia-like Articles From Scratch with Large Language Models Good luck with this storm, wiki's the world over. Just a thought but ... maybe someone should ask an org like the Internet Archive to snap-shot Wikipedia asap and label it Pre-Storm and After-Storm

there is this sentiment of Ai induced deterioration and pollution. what if that is not the case? what if the quality of this type of content actually increases?

The concern is not just a vaguely cynical hand-wringing about how bad AI is. Feeding AIs their own output as training material is a bad thing for mathematical reasons, and feeding AIs the output of other very similar AIs is close enough for it to also be bad. The reasons are subtle and hard to describe in plain English, and I'm not enough of an expert to even try, so pardon if I don't. But given that it is hard to determine if output is from an AI, AI really does face a crisis of having a hard time coming across good training material in the future.

Re: Storm: LLM system that researches a topic and generates full-length wiki article

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I looked into this to see where it was getting new information, and as far as I can tell, it is searching wikipedia exclusively. Useful for sure, but not exactly what I was expecting based on the title.

That gives me an idea.

There are wikipedias in other languages - Maybe this framework could be adapted to translate the search terms, fetch mulitlingual sources, translate them back, and use those as comparisons.

I've found a lot of stuff out through similar by-hand techniques that would be difficult to discover on english search. I'd be curious to see how much differential there is between accounts across language barriers.

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