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Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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Pet peeve: This story alternates between "nations" and "countries" as if they were synonyms. A nation is a group of people sharing cultural, ethnic, and historical ties. There are many more nations than there are countries, especially within the US. A country has a political boundary, a flag and an anthem. It's one thing to use a word in the wrong way, because maybe you don't know the other word exists, and that's ok…

Pet peeve: Misguided pedantry

Both “country” and “nation” have a wide variety of definitions, and several of them overlap.

The definition you give for “nation” is a particular technical one used in certain contexts, but the word used for the way you define “country” in the context where that kind of technical definition is being used for “nation” is “state”, not “country”. (And even “state” may be used with additional qualifiers to disambiguate the exact sense when used for that, because it is a heavily-overloaded term.)

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The power of language, where "state-sponsored" too accurately directs the population's attention to their government but where mercenary is vague and non-aiming - where a simple change in language is enough to quell that ire and attention of authoritarians; or should I say authoritarian behaviour to not out them directly as authoritarians?

Apple needs to work with authoritarian governments, or nobody is going to build our iPhones. I would guess it’s obvious for everyone who gets the message that they are political targets. However it is also important to call out abuse of power, like is in the case of India, Spain, Poland, where the governing party is spying the opposition in order to find ways to get rid of them.

There are definitely more countries where Intelligence Services spy on not only the opposition but members of congress. The FBI admitted to spying on members of the US senate as well as an adversarial candidate to the US presidency.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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post #30

Pet peeve: This story alternates between "nations" and "countries" as if they were synonyms. A nation is a group of people sharing cultural, ethnic, and historical ties. There are many more nations than there are countries, especially within the US. A country has a political boundary, a flag and an anthem. It's one thing to use a word in the wrong way, because maybe you don't know the other word exists, and that's ok…

I'm not sure this is true

> There are many more nations than there are countries, especially within the US.

Each US state has "a political boundary, a flag and an anthem". So that's 50 of them. How many nations are there in the US?

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The power of language, where "state-sponsored" too accurately directs the population's attention to their government but where mercenary is vague and non-aiming - where a simple change in language is enough to quell that ire and attention of authoritarians; or should I say authoritarian behaviour to not out them directly as authoritarians?

Apple needs to work with authoritarian governments, or nobody is going to build our iPhones. I would guess it’s obvious for everyone who gets the message that they are political targets. However it is also important to call out abuse of power, like is in the case of India, Spain, Poland, where the governing party is spying the opposition in order to find ways to get rid of them.

As a bridge perhaps, and not all authoritarians are equal - of course, so being rational is fine - aligning with a less worse, less captured society is a reasonable stepping stone; and a maneuver can be to pit one tyrant against another, where India-China relations aren't good - however that could be useful to both tyrants towards manufacturing consent to send all of their young military aged men - who would be the strongest, most capable to go up against the tyrants - instead sending them to a meat grinder of a potential WW3 that the military industrial complex is also likely drooling over in their fascist wet dreams; the two sides of the fascist coin being authoritarian politicians and industrial complexes.

However the longer we allow revenues to be generated in relationships with authoritarian economies-states, the more we're empowering them.

That in a way is also a carrot - at least until a certain point of no return - where in America there's an effort to collapse the USD, and they might succeed - and then where BRICS will have buying power to influence the rest of the world to align with bad actors in each countries who aren't yet toeing the tyrannical line - and help them navigate towards a totalitarian state.

Knowing who is your ally in each nation is important, and keeping communication lines open is the bare minimum - and tyrant wannabes in different nations, except in places like China where they already are locked down in their systems, still need to creep forward in as incognito method as possible until they've captured all of the various positions necessary before they can recruit and grow their Gestapo.

Most people are unaware that Canada is about to be captured by fascists, and where laws and mandates have already passed that could allow those politicians to pretend they won the next election (multiple people in our intelligence agency CSIS already whistleblowing that China, the CCP is confirmed to have interfered in at least our last 2 elections which kept Trudeau-NDP in power) - and then pump that out and control the narratives in our state-funded media channels like CBC; mainstream news - including the biggest dissident media company called Rebel News - aren't shown on Facebook, for vector example, another vector being an arguably manufactured false flag 3-day outage of Rogers Telecommunications - where this fascist government immediately afterward mandated all telecommunications companies cross-integrate their services "to act as a backup" for other companies - which conveniently creates-allows for a centralized system for monitoring, etc.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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post #12

Pegasus and NSO. (Edit: of course I'm flagged for this. Surprise surprise)

I spend way too much time on HN, and having seen how often flags are abused or simply used too liberally, I think they are way too over powered. A lot of good discussion gets killed by flags right it of the gate. Sometimes it gets vouched and redeemed, but the vast majority of the time the damage is done and that comment or story languishes in obscurity.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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post #43
post #30

Pet peeve: This story alternates between "nations" and "countries" as if they were synonyms. A nation is a group of people sharing cultural, ethnic, and historical ties. There are many more nations than there are countries, especially within the US. A country has a political boundary, a flag and an anthem. It's one thing to use a word in the wrong way, because maybe you don't know the other word exists, and that's ok…

I'm not sure this is true > There are many more nations than there are countries, especially within the US. Each US state has "a political boundary, a flag and an anthem". So that's 50 of them. How many nations are there in the US?

It’s “true” if you, as the GP seems to intend to, define “country” to be “state that is sovereign in the sense of a principal subject of international law”.

This is, to say the least, not the only definition of a “country” (and is also among the definitions of “nation”.)

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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If someone is interested how the message actually looks like, a user on reddit posted it and a previous version from 2023 (although it doesn't include everything): https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1c10jai/i_have_rece...

It looks like the message encourages users to update "to the latest software version, iOS 16.6." I wonder if their message is different to users on devices which no longer can be updated beyond iOS 15, like iPhone 7, 7 Plus, SE and so on.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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post #37
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the Apple Support page here: https://support.apple.com/en-in/102174 In the screenshot it says the threat notification was sent "via email and iMessage", so it would not be displayed in any different way on your phone, which I also find surprising. I definitely wouldn't expect to receive something like this as an Email, and I have turned off iMessage.

Just out of curiosity why would you have imessage turned off?

Unless things have changed since I last looked, if those you talk to aren't also on iMessage, it feels like a net negative to use as you get inconsistent/negative behavior between contacts. From that end, it becomes sort of a moral issue with the clearly arbitrarily locked gates and poor experiences. So you disable and use a non-malicious and cross platform solution.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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"Mercenary spyware attacks, such as those using Pegasus from the NSO Group, are exceptionally rare and vastly more sophisticated than regular cybercriminal activity or consumer malware"

So, maybe even provoking an Apple warning to those targets could also be part of a sophisticated operation.

These targets react or have to react in a certain way. Instigate to lure people out of hiding and entice them to react, even if only to observe their behavior.

What do these targeted people do then? Switching phones? Accessing certain digital services, warning their network via conventional lines?

From an observer's perspective, this is pretty thrilling.

Re: Apple alerts users in 92 nations to mercenary spyware attacks

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post #13

If someone is interested how the message actually looks like, a user on reddit posted it and a previous version from 2023 (although it doesn't include everything): https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1c10jai/i_have_rece...

It looks like the message encourages users to update "to the latest software version, iOS 16.6." I wonder if their message is different to users on devices which no longer can be updated beyond iOS 15, like iPhone 7, 7 Plus, SE and so on.

That's the message they got in summer 2023 when iOS 16.6 was the most recent one.
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