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Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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I agree with your points here, but this seems like a two-wrongs-make-a-right type of argument. Basically, companies (like Amazon) don't have to honor their agreements, so neither do I. I agree that's a fair standard, but it does feel a little ... suboptimal to say "I can and will lie because I expect that they are lying."

> because I expect that they are lying because I /KNOW/ that they are lying

Can you cite an example of one of the lies that you know about?

If not, then you can't KNOW they are lying any more than all the religious people who claim they KNOW that their church is true (which they all can't be, since they have contradictory beliefs).

Unless you've read The terms for the thing you are agreeing to, and have identified contradictions (lies) for which you have hard evidence to the contrary, you don't KNOW. This must be done for every company that you agree to, not just a single one. If we know that person a killed someone because we have it on camera and proved it in court, that obviously does not mean that an unrelated person b is also guilty of murder.

Short of that, you don't KNOW, you just expect.

Apologies, I didn't intend to lecture on this, it just touched a nerve I have with the overuse of the word know, and the negative effect that has had on science. Also maddening to be debating religion and have the person claim to know something that they clearly don't, such as that God exists and/or that he loves us, etc. The correct word they need is "believe"

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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(Devil's advocate here) When you made an Amazon account, and each time you purchase one of their ebooks, you agree to their "Terms of Service", which states that you won't do some of the things you want to do with your ebook. Amazon wouldn't sell/license you the book if you told them you were going to break the DRM and read it on a Kobo. In effect, you're lying to Amazon in order to use their property in a way they s…

Civil disobedience can be valuable. TOS are often FOS

There's a reason it's important ethics and humanities are mandatory parts of education. Without them people end up blindly following whatever rules the powers that be have set.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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I adamantly believe that this is morally and ethically OK in all situations. If you buy a copy of a book, it's your right to read it on any device of yours you want, even ones that haven't been manufactured yet. I bought a copy of Stephen King's "The Stand" 30 years ago and it's still on a bookshelf here ready for me to read at any time. If I'd bought an ebook copy of it instead, I'm just as ethically permitted to re…

Pretty sure everyone agrees with that, even the DRM makers. It's just that in practice there is no way to allow a user to fully own a file, allow sharing that file with a few friends but disallow uploading it to a torrent site and sharing with the whole world. I get HN hates DRM and for good reason but im sympathetic to the problem the ebook distributors are trying to solve. It only takes 1 person uploading a file to…

> Pretty sure everyone agrees with that, even the DRM makers.

You’d think so, but that’s not the case. Here’s an example of a Canadian artists group that wanted “format shifting” to be explicitly illegal: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/10/copyright-collec...

In their opinion, if you buy a book on Nook, then switch to a Kindle, you should be legally required to buy another copy if you want to read it again.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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Last week I bought my first eReader.

Bought a book which had Adobe DRM. Had to download Adobe Digital Editions, to activate the book/ACSM-file.

The activation failed. Tried it multiple times on different systems.

My eReader is now filled with books downloaded from semi-shady places, but free. Fuck DRM.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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Last week I bought my first eReader. Bought a book which had Adobe DRM. Had to download Adobe Digital Editions, to activate the book/ACSM-file. The activation failed. Tried it multiple times on different systems. My eReader is now filled with books downloaded from semi-shady places, but free. Fuck DRM.

Is it possible to use this libgourou to fix this situation? So that it's possible to both pay for books and read them without wasting hours? I didn't quite understand from the readme if this is specific to library things. So far all solutions i've seen are either

1. Pay and not be able to read (on device of my choosing)

2. Not pay and be able to read wherever

3. Pay and spend hours fiddling with weird windows-only software and forget why i wanted the book in the first place

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Devil's advocate here) When you made an Amazon account, and each time you purchase one of their ebooks, you agree to their "Terms of Service", which states that you won't do some of the things you want to do with your ebook. Amazon wouldn't sell/license you the book if you told them you were going to break the DRM and read it on a Kobo. In effect, you're lying to Amazon in order to use their property in a way they s…

>Can I ask you to consider buying your ebooks from a better vendor? Kobo is a good choice; they state whether or not a given book is DRM-free or not Amazon also does state when a book is DRM-free, but you might have missed it as it's not clear. Kindle Books that are DRM free will show "Simultaneous device usage : Unlimited" in the "Product details" section. Books with DRM will either not list this if they have the de…

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Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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I adamantly believe that this is morally and ethically OK in all situations. If you buy a copy of a book, it's your right to read it on any device of yours you want, even ones that haven't been manufactured yet. I bought a copy of Stephen King's "The Stand" 30 years ago and it's still on a bookshelf here ready for me to read at any time. If I'd bought an ebook copy of it instead, I'm just as ethically permitted to re…

Pretty sure everyone agrees with that, even the DRM makers. It's just that in practice there is no way to allow a user to fully own a file, allow sharing that file with a few friends but disallow uploading it to a torrent site and sharing with the whole world. I get HN hates DRM and for good reason but im sympathetic to the problem the ebook distributors are trying to solve. It only takes 1 person uploading a file to…

I disagree that there is a problem to be solved here. If you do not like the reality of digital media and the ability for media to be copied indefinitely, find a different business model, instead of trying to get your preferred restrictions placed on everyone.

The MPAA/RIAA spend millions of lobbying dollars on trying to preserve their business model, to the point where non-US countries are required to follow their self-interested, business-model-preserving rules or be excluded from international trade deals.

If physical booksellers did the same thing, they would be ridiculed into silence by the sheer absurdity. But because it's opaque technical measures, backed by mega-corps, it gets a pass.

Re: Libgourou: A Free Implementation of Adobe's Adept DRM on ePub/PDF Files

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I've used this several times to read books I've legally purchased. An indispensable bit of software.

I adamantly believe that this is morally and ethically OK in all situations. If you buy a copy of a book, it's your right to read it on any device of yours you want, even ones that haven't been manufactured yet. I bought a copy of Stephen King's "The Stand" 30 years ago and it's still on a bookshelf here ready for me to read at any time. If I'd bought an ebook copy of it instead, I'm just as ethically permitted to re…

How about: you are paying Amazon to lie to you by giving them your money

Or: You are validating Amazons actions by saying if they can do that then i can too. The initial premise of doing is business with them is you saying "They can do that"

I don't think saying "If Amazon can do that..." is a good foundation for ethics

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