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Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by maroonblazer »

garyrob wrote: post #160
maroonblazer wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all you're looking for is polished backing tracks, why couldn't Band in a Box serve that function? https://www.pgmusic.com/

It could, but I want it to be even easier and with better results! I think AI has that potential. I am absolutely sure it does, in fact, and that some AI product will obsolete Band In A Box within the next decade. Maybe within the next year. If the people who make BIAB aren't working on it, themselves, with full focus, they are making a big mistake.

I don't have any connection to anyone at PGMusic but BiaB already implements a technique that could be described as AI or AI-like.

Having played music nearly all my life, songwriting included, and soaked up almost every bit of music-making tech in the process, I'd wager we won't see AI delivering better results more easily and, importantly, with the flexibility of Band in a Box within the next year.

The playing/performance part of making music is a solved problem. You can do this with DAWs and plug-ins today. The truly hard part is coming up with the ideas. That's where AI has an opportunity.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by skybrian »

nomel wrote: post #177
dwallin wrote: post #55

I think the problem here is the same one as the other current music generation services. Iteration is so important to creativity and right now you can't really properly iterate. In order to get the right song you just spray and pray and keep generating until one that is sufficient arrives or you give up. I know you hint at this being a future direction of development but in my opinion it's a key feature to take these…

Same with text models, for me. If I can't edit my query and the AI response, to retry/keep the context in check, then I have trouble finding use for it, in creation. I need to be able to directly influence the entire loop, and, most importantly, keep the context for the next token prediction clean and short.

Letting you edit the response is quite easy to do, technically speaking. It's not done in the default UI for most AI Chatbots, unfortunately. You will need to look for alternative UIs.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by skybrian »

Seems like we already have good ways to edit music (for example, a piano roll) and AI could use them.

As an amateur musician I'd like to see it take a MIDI track as input and produce audio as output, as a sort of AI MIDI instrument.

Or maybe take some tracks as input and generate another track, both MIDI and audio.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by garyrob »

maroonblazer wrote: post #191
garyrob wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could, but I want it to be even easier and with better results! I think AI has that potential. I am absolutely sure it does, in fact, and that some AI product will obsolete Band In A Box within the next decade. Maybe within the next year. If the people who make BIAB aren't working on it, themselves, with full focus, they are making a big mistake.

I don't have any connection to anyone at PGMusic but BiaB already implements a technique that could be described as AI or AI-like. Having played music nearly all my life, songwriting included, and soaked up almost every bit of music-making tech in the process, I'd wager we won't see AI delivering better results more easily and, importantly, with the flexibility of Band in a Box within the next year. The playing/perfo…

The problem I have with BIAB is my songs often have very specific fingerpicking parts. BIAB can't easily do the same picking as far as I can tell. (Or maybe at all?) So I'm thinking an AI like the one in the OP may be able to pick up on my specific fingerpicking but just do it more accurately. And then add other instruments that closely align with those parts.

If I'm missing something about BIAB, let me know!

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by zaptrem »

manibatra wrote: post #165
zaptrem wrote: post #56

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If the future of music was truly just typing some text into a box and taking or leaving what the machine gives you that would be kinda depressing. We want you to be able to upload recordings of your real instruments and do all sorts of cool things with them (e.g., transform them, generate vocals for your guitar riff, use the melody as a jazz song, or just get some inspiration for what to add next). IMO AI alone will…

Love what you are doing but "never" is just not true. Used Suno to create a song about our daughter the other day which had wife and I in tears. We are already at a stage where AI is touching hearts.

That's no longer AI alone, you gave it the needed touch of humanity! That touch will take many different forms for different people.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by bongodongobob »

anigbrowl wrote: post #162
bongodongobob wrote: post #114

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I've essentially been running an infinity jukebox for the last week. I save the ones I like and relisten. Simple as that. Edit: It's been interesting watching non-musicians argue about emotion in music. I don't care who you are, the 300th time you perform a song, you're faking it to a large degree. People see musicians as these iconic, deep, geniuses, but most of us are just doing our job. You don't get excited about…

I am a musician, though not professionally. I take your point about performance. Where I disagree with you is that I believe audience members relate to the emotion that went into the song at the time it was written and recorded (the form in which they most likely first heard it). Of course in performance it's not felt the same way; a sad song can even become uplifting because you have a big crowd of people joining in…

Just look up the Chinese room. There's nothing inherent in music that computers can't recreate.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by aatd86 »

At the meta level, I don't understand why AI would be used to replace people's entertainment and hobbies... It should be used for the things that no one wants to do... Or that no human is capable of doing...

I mean, as a dabbler in music, not being able to play a given instrument should make me want to learn, such upskilling which should have some beneficial effects even in terms of neurobiology.

Even if I know that could be used as a basis for creative input, it feels like this is dangerous for humanity.

After all, someone has to have something to do in their spare time?

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by shepherdjerred »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #185
cellis wrote: post #171

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People who don't believe this really aren't immersed in cutting edge research. I think it could even be 5 on the extreme edge of an optimistic prediction.

I think people just don’t want to believe it. Because they’ve seen how people who’ve been displaced tend to be treated. This tech will cause a lot of pain.

This has to be a component. It is very scary and honestly quite sad.
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