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Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by cellis »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #108
digging wrote: post #100

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Personally I get very worried reading statements like "AI will never be able to do X", because they seem like obviously false statements. I think if one asserts AI will never be able to do a thing a human brain can do, that needs to be proven, rather than the other way around. For example, if we could reverse engineer the entire human neurology and build an artificial replica of it, why wouldn't we expect it to be ab…

I don't understand those "AI will never be able to do X" statements. Surely AI will be able to do _anything_ in 1000 years. In 100 years it will almost definitely be able to replace most knowledge-based jobs. Even today it can take away many entry-level jobs, e.g. a small business no longer needs to hire someone to write a jingle, or create a logo. In 10 years, I would expect much of programming to either disappear o…

People who don't believe this really aren't immersed in cutting edge research. I think it could even be 5 on the extreme edge of an optimistic prediction.

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Post by fennecbutt »

bongodongobob wrote: post #114
anigbrowl wrote: post #94

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But then why are you going down the dead-end route of generating complete songs? Nobody wants this except marketing people. I've said it before, there, is no consumer market for an infinity jukebox because you can't sing along with songs you don't already know, there's already an overabundance of recorded music, and emotion in generative music (especially vocals) is fake. Nobody likes fakery for its own sake. Markete…

I've essentially been running an infinity jukebox for the last week. I save the ones I like and relisten. Simple as that. Edit: It's been interesting watching non-musicians argue about emotion in music. I don't care who you are, the 300th time you perform a song, you're faking it to a large degree. People see musicians as these iconic, deep, geniuses, but most of us are just doing our job. You don't get excited about…

Yeah, the whole emotion thing is bs imo. The idea that a machine can't produce something evocative is a defense mechanism, in the same way people still claim that we'll never make sentient AI because humans are somehow magical and special.

Humans can find emotion and associations in anything, it's what our brains do. I could totally generate some AI art that tugs at the heart strings if they don't know it's AI, or "is creepy and bad meaningless art" if they do. I've tried this experiment with friends already.

Plus, these models are trained off human output, so they can learn what to put in an "emotive" image. If the models were doing it for themselves they'd produce nothing; we haven't created an environment for machines where emotion was crucial in training.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by noizejoy »

garyrob wrote: post #160
maroonblazer wrote: post #157

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If all you're looking for is polished backing tracks, why couldn't Band in a Box serve that function? https://www.pgmusic.com/

It could, but I want it to be even easier and with better results! I think AI has that potential. I am absolutely sure it does, in fact, and that some AI product will obsolete Band In A Box within the next decade. Maybe within the next year. If the people who make BIAB aren't working on it, themselves, with full focus, they are making a big mistake.

But how will you make your song stand out as something special, when every other aspiring song writer has the same access to the same level of insta gratification for making a full production from barebones song writing?

Or is your target audience only your own ears, and you never plan to publish or even compare your work to others?

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Post by jsf01 »

This is ridiculously fun. Congrats on the launch! I took inspiration from “There I Ruined It” and grabbed lyrics from various popular songs to have the AI sing them in the style of other artists. It sometimes took a few attempts, but it honestly did a great job. You got a chuckle out of my friends and family. Also loved that I didn’t have to enter a credit card in order to try it out.

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Post by garyrob »

noizejoy wrote: post #173
garyrob wrote: post #160

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It could, but I want it to be even easier and with better results! I think AI has that potential. I am absolutely sure it does, in fact, and that some AI product will obsolete Band In A Box within the next decade. Maybe within the next year. If the people who make BIAB aren't working on it, themselves, with full focus, they are making a big mistake.

But how will you make your song stand out as something special, when every other aspiring song writer has the same access to the same level of insta gratification for making a full production from barebones song writing? Or is your target audience only your own ears, and you never plan to publish or even compare your work to others?

Songwriting is songwriting. You make it special by making a great song. You make a demo. You can get a song published if it sounds decent and is a great song. Publishers are influenced by the production quality, but they aren't idiots. They can discern a great lyrics, great harmonic shifts, and great melody as separate matters from whether it has a fantastic lead guitar solo or drum part.

If all someone can manage is "barebones song writing" without great lyrics, harmonic interest, or melody, they need to either be in a fantastic band or give up.

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Post by zaptrem »

fennecbutt wrote: post #164

I really feel like the popularity of diffusion has made it far too shallow. Why diffuse an entire track? We should be building these models to create music the same way that humans do, by diffusing samples, then having the model build the song using samples in a proper sequencer, diffuse vocals etc. Problem with Suno etc, is that as other people have mentioned, you can't iterate or adjust anything. Saying "make the d…

I completely agree on the editing aspect. However if you want to generate five stem tracks, then all five tracks must have the full bandwidth of your auto encoder. Accordingly each inference or training staff would take much more compute for the same result. That’s why we’d prefer to do it all together and split after.

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Post by nomel »

dwallin wrote: post #55

I think the problem here is the same one as the other current music generation services. Iteration is so important to creativity and right now you can't really properly iterate. In order to get the right song you just spray and pray and keep generating until one that is sufficient arrives or you give up. I know you hint at this being a future direction of development but in my opinion it's a key feature to take these…

Same with text models, for me. If I can't edit my query and the AI response, to retry/keep the context in check, then I have trouble finding use for it, in creation. I need to be able to directly influence the entire loop, and, most importantly, keep the context for the next token prediction clean and short.

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Post by sandkoan »

cchance wrote: post #36

Begs the question given this is diffusion based how much of the "ipadapter/faceid/controlnet" tech can be brought over, what would a audio-faceid or audio-ipadapter look like for something like this.

See https://musiccontrolnet.github.io/web/

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Post by clbrmbr »

anigbrowl wrote: post #162
bongodongobob wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've essentially been running an infinity jukebox for the last week. I save the ones I like and relisten. Simple as that. Edit: It's been interesting watching non-musicians argue about emotion in music. I don't care who you are, the 300th time you perform a song, you're faking it to a large degree. People see musicians as these iconic, deep, geniuses, but most of us are just doing our job. You don't get excited about…

I am a musician, though not professionally. I take your point about performance. Where I disagree with you is that I believe audience members relate to the emotion that went into the song at the time it was written and recorded (the form in which they most likely first heard it). Of course in performance it's not felt the same way; a sad song can even become uplifting because you have a big crowd of people joining in…

Your post really resonated with me (also amateur musician). I was just playing Garcia’s Loser and it clicked for me, as it was written about my life, putting to song deep emotions that would take many more words of prose to express.

How much of this appreciation of emotion in song is due to the creative depth of the composition versus a projection of the listener? Listening to some great studio music makes me really want to believe it’s mostly the former.

Anyways, maybe we will just need to become much more sophisticated and thoughtful and observant music critics in the coming age of infinity radio. (So as to experience the deep human connection of “real music”. I really hope that the AI fails to successfully fake it for my lifetime and my children’s.)

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