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With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Re: With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Post by uuddlrlrbaba »

fetzu wrote: post #134
uuddlrlrbaba wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a "get off my lawn" take. I think you are entirely undervaluing having access to video tutorials on virtually any subject. A paragraph on the internet doesn't show you step by step visually how to do something. Short form video, if you haven't noticed, is absolutely dominating social media and google has good reason to bundle and theme it for the workplace.

It’s a “get off my lawn” take from someone who has worked in video and film for well over a decade. I have almost never watched a video tutorial an any subject and thought “that was informative and a good use of my time”. As others have pointed out, there is absolutely a way to show step by step how to do something with “static” media. Take the example of an IKEA assembly manual: think about how they are well conceiv…

Hah, well it wasn't an attack. But nice job digging in the heels in and flashing those senior credentials. That's impressive or something.

At any rate... We can have both written text and video media. And we will have both.

It's pointless trying to present one as better than the other. They will exist in parallel.

There are troves of information in short form. Information spreads among young people who own phones more rapidly than ever before.

Not sure what to tell you. Maybe scroll some tiktok videos about programming and find out.

Re: With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Post by killingtime74 »

rkagerer wrote: post #116
echelon wrote: post #5

Loom is one of the best tools for remote work. If this is free and in Google Docs, I won't need Loom anymore. Loom should be terrified. This will probably also be added to YouTube, so CapCut and the like are about to be checkmated too. The biggest worry for this product is that it's from Google and we know how they are about products.

it's from Google and we know how they are about products Does the company just not care about it's reputation in regards to this?

Not enough to change apparently

Re: With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Post by uuddlrlrbaba »

uuddlrlrbaba wrote: post #141
fetzu wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a “get off my lawn” take from someone who has worked in video and film for well over a decade. I have almost never watched a video tutorial an any subject and thought “that was informative and a good use of my time”. As others have pointed out, there is absolutely a way to show step by step how to do something with “static” media. Take the example of an IKEA assembly manual: think about how they are well conceiv…

Hah, well it wasn't an attack. But nice job digging in the heels in and flashing those senior credentials. That's impressive or something. At any rate... We can have both written text and video media. And we will have both. It's pointless trying to present one as better than the other. They will exist in parallel. There are troves of information in short form. Information spreads among young people who own phones mor…

Also, the IKEA manual is a step by step visual guide that contains essentially no text.

There are few to no written words in their instructions so no translation is needed between languages. Only numeric quantities and part identifiers.

It basically already is a slide show. Add some chapters and it'd be fine as a video. Pause and unpause as you progress.

Re: With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Post by hulitu »

fetzu wrote: post #88

One of my worst nightmares, using videos to convey information. It was bad enough with this wave of YouTube “guides” that take eight minutes to explain something which could have been done in a paragraph. Videos are also the worst searchable medium, really looking forward to having to scan through hours of content to find “that thing I saw six months ago”. Who in their right mind would think that video could be a pro…

> Who in their right mind would think that video could be a productivity tool!?

It's right there in the title, sir. /s

Ah, and Microsoft. Management _loves_ video trainings.

Re: With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Post by jdgoesmarching »

fetzu wrote: post #134
uuddlrlrbaba wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a "get off my lawn" take. I think you are entirely undervaluing having access to video tutorials on virtually any subject. A paragraph on the internet doesn't show you step by step visually how to do something. Short form video, if you haven't noticed, is absolutely dominating social media and google has good reason to bundle and theme it for the workplace.

It’s a “get off my lawn” take from someone who has worked in video and film for well over a decade. I have almost never watched a video tutorial an any subject and thought “that was informative and a good use of my time”. As others have pointed out, there is absolutely a way to show step by step how to do something with “static” media. Take the example of an IKEA assembly manual: think about how they are well conceiv…

> I have almost never watched a video tutorial an any subject and thought “that was informative and a good use of my time”.

I’ve use video tutorials for everything from home renovations to cloud certifications, Minecraft builds, woodworking projects, software dev, and my graduate degree. This is kind of absolutism towards video is absolutely a get off my lawn take, regardless of your industry ties.

I think it’s especially ridiculous to pretend that the current state of most written media on the web is dramatically superior. I wish people ITT could just accept that they have a bias towards the medium they’re more comfortable with instead of pretending there’s some objective fault in things other people prefer.

Re: With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Post by hulitu »

AlexAndScripts wrote: post #139
JohnMakin wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO it's because literacy rates are in the toilet.

I'm 18. I suspect this is related to attention span: Videos capture your attention far better and are more addictive. Additionally, while people can read, they're worryingly slow and they are so out of practice that the very act of extended reading tires them out - even if the subject itself is trivial. I think my reading speed is slightly above average among adults, and I can read text at my normal speed three times…

> Videos capture your attention far better and are more addictive

It really depends on the video. A bad porn movie "captures your attention far better" than a corporate training video.

Re: With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Post by Voultapher »

busymom0 wrote: post #138
djmips wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true but you can still skim the comments I suppose to get an idea.

Yea, that's what I end up doing but it wastes more time. Before, I could just look at the like-dislike ratio and get an instant signal that a tutorial was crap.

You see in the data dear boss, we optimized engagement. Users use our platform for longer.

Re: With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Post by CharlieDigital »

fetzu wrote: post #88

One of my worst nightmares, using videos to convey information. It was bad enough with this wave of YouTube “guides” that take eight minutes to explain something which could have been done in a paragraph. Videos are also the worst searchable medium, really looking forward to having to scan through hours of content to find “that thing I saw six months ago”. Who in their right mind would think that video could be a pro…

    | Who in their right mind would think that video could be a productivity tool!?
I use videos when I make a front end feature PR. One video can clearly show the flow and behavior of some new feature in an information dense clip. Often with more clarity than a stack of 3-4 images.

They are also good for some classes of front end defects. Easier to see it in action some times.

Re: With Vids, Google thinks it has the next big productivity tool for work

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Post by kevindamm »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #127
baby wrote: post #39

I am sooo interested in this because I think loom is one of the best and most useful products for communicating knowledge. Especially in remote companies. But it’s not interactive! I want to be able for people to add and insert videos, and for me to insert responses or keep building a video based on what people asked. I’m surprised by the skepticism here. Slides suck ass to communicate ideas, and text is just not eno…

>> Slides suck ass to communicate ideas, Slides are not, and should not, be the primary medium for communicating information. They're a skeleton to hang together a presentation, set tone and context, and anchor your ideas. If they are information dense you need to be very, very careful; typically it's a sign of failure when they're too dense. I love a good presentation, a well designed deck that compliments a present…

Tufte would be proud.
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