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Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by latentsea »

anigbrowl wrote: post #94
zaptrem wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the future of music was truly just typing some text into a box and taking or leaving what the machine gives you that would be kinda depressing. We want you to be able to upload recordings of your real instruments and do all sorts of cool things with them (e.g., transform them, generate vocals for your guitar riff, use the melody as a jazz song, or just get some inspiration for what to add next). IMO AI alone will…

But then why are you going down the dead-end route of generating complete songs? Nobody wants this except marketing people. I've said it before, there, is no consumer market for an infinity jukebox because you can't sing along with songs you don't already know, there's already an overabundance of recorded music, and emotion in generative music (especially vocals) is fake. Nobody likes fakery for its own sake. Markete…

I've found generating full songs its own unique form of entertainment that I enjoy for different purposes. Parody is an excellent use case for this. So is education! I wound up generating songs to help me remember certain things etc.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by parpfish »

bongodongobob wrote: post #144
parpfish wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But emotion was (most likely) involved when you wrote or first recorded the song, and that’s what people connect with. If you go to a concert and you hear the headliner play a love ballad followed up by a breakup song, you don’t expect them to actually be going through those emotions in real time.

Maybe when you wrote it, but the time between writing and recording is pretty big. I don't see why it matters anyway, it's not like anyone can tell the difference. Is an actor really feeling the emotions? Does it matter if the performance is good? Of course it doesn't.

It matters for some people and for certain songs.

Sometimes you like a song because it sounds good.

Other times you like a song because somebody put your feelings into words and it’s comforting to know that another person felt the same way

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by latentsea »

realfeel78 wrote: post #138

Some uses of AI can be net positive for society. Making fake music is not one of them.

I've been doing it for a week on Suno, and hard disagree. There are legit use cases, and new possibilities it opens up. Haters gonna hate, but people that find it useful will find it useful.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by darby_eight »

p1esk wrote: post #150
dwallin wrote: post #55

I think the problem here is the same one as the other current music generation services. Iteration is so important to creativity and right now you can't really properly iterate. In order to get the right song you just spray and pray and keep generating until one that is sufficient arrives or you give up. I know you hint at this being a future direction of development but in my opinion it's a key feature to take these…

But that’s not a problem when listening to Spotify? Why can’t we treat these music generation engines the same way we treat music streaming services?

Idk what you're referring to specifically, but music discovery services are terrible across all of spotify, apple music, google music, tidal, etc. I don't expect these services to read your mind, but they also don't ask for many parameters to help with the search. Definitely a huge opportunity here for innovative new services.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by latentsea »

ALittleLight wrote: post #123

This has to be bad for Spotify, right? Infinite low cost music generation from multiple competitors challenges Spotify's moat and forces them to develop a similar product and compete away profits from innumerable challengers - or else just go out of business.

The market for human generated music isn't going away...

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by TheActualWalko »

cush wrote: post #73

There's a lot of negative comments here, but these are the earliest days and generating entire songs is kind of the hello world of this tech. There's always going to be a balance between creating high level tools like this with no dials and low level tools with finer control, and while this touts itself as being "more controllable", it's clearly not there. But, the same way Adobe has integrated outpainting and genera…

If anyone here is interested in something that leans towards the Ableton end of the spectrum, we're building this: https://wavtool.com/

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by maroonblazer »

garyrob wrote: post #66

My hobby is songwriting. (Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjng3UoKkGk ) I play guitar, but I'm not much of a guitarist or singer. I really like songwriting, not trying to be polished as a performer. So I intermittently look into the AI world to see whether it has tools I could use to generate a higher-quality song demo than I could do on my own. I've been looking for something that could take a chord progres…

If all you're looking for is polished backing tracks, why couldn't Band in a Box serve that function?

https://www.pgmusic.com/

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by garyrob »

maroonblazer wrote: post #157
garyrob wrote: post #66

My hobby is songwriting. (Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjng3UoKkGk ) I play guitar, but I'm not much of a guitarist or singer. I really like songwriting, not trying to be polished as a performer. So I intermittently look into the AI world to see whether it has tools I could use to generate a higher-quality song demo than I could do on my own. I've been looking for something that could take a chord progres…

If all you're looking for is polished backing tracks, why couldn't Band in a Box serve that function? https://www.pgmusic.com/

It could, but I want it to be even easier and with better results! I think AI has that potential. I am absolutely sure it does, in fact, and that some AI product will obsolete Band In A Box within the next decade. Maybe within the next year. If the people who make BIAB aren't working on it, themselves, with full focus, they are making a big mistake.
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