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Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by parpfish »

zaptrem wrote: post #84
Version467 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify, when you say never . Do you actually mean never (or some practical equivalent like ~100 years), or do you mean not right now, but possibly in 5-10 years? I'm just asking to try to build some intuition on what people who actually train soa models think were capabilities are heading. Either way, congrats on the launch :)

Never == "There will never be tears in my eyes as an AI sings ChatGPT-generated lyrics about the cycle of poverty a woman is stuck in ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Car ) because I know all of those experiences are made up."

There’s also the fact that a major component of music fandom is about the community and sense of personal identity that derives from an artist or a particular scene.

Saying that you’re a big fan of a band doesn’t just mean “I like the audio they produce” but often means something much bigger about your fashion/style and personal values.

How would any of that work with AI music? Is it possible to develop a community around music if everything is made on demand and nobody experiences the same songs? Will people find other like-minded music fans by recommending their favorite prompt engineers to each other?

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by cchance »

echelon wrote: post #45
zaptrem wrote: post #39

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This is exactly what makes it so exciting for us!

IP-Adapter for music would be a game changer. Upload a reference sample, get something in that style.

Exactly, upload or even multiple songs for influence, some lyrics ... tada! Holy shit thats gonna be powerful

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

boringg wrote: post #62

I want to say two things -- one congrats - I am sure your team has been working exceptionally hard to develop this - and the songs sound reasonable good for AI! Two I am soo competely unenthusiastic about AI music and it infiltrating the music world - all of it sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard. Just mainstream overproduced low quality radio music. I know its a stepping stone but it kills me to listen to it rig…

80% of music is familiarity, 20% novelty, yet the majority of peoples' time goes into getting the 80% down so that they can add their 20%.

Look at current music production and compare it to past. Older music seems so much simpler. It was so much easier to come up with that 20% 'novel' when pop/recorded music was new. Ironically I think AI freeing people to focus on that 20% is going to add a lot of creativity to music, not reduce it.

I say this as someone who hates the concept of AI music. I'm actually really excited to see what it enables/creates (but I don't want to use it, even though I really could use it for vocals that I currently pay others to do for me).

I'll be here making my bad knockoffs of bad synth pop bands having fun and taking weeks to do 5% of what kids these days will start off as their entry point, with my 20% creativity ignored because my music sounds 'off' when I can't get the 80% familiar down.

People thought synthesizers were the end of music, yet Switched on Bach begot Jean Michel Jarre begot Kate Bush and on and on.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by notahacker »

anigbrowl wrote: post #94
zaptrem wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the future of music was truly just typing some text into a box and taking or leaving what the machine gives you that would be kinda depressing. We want you to be able to upload recordings of your real instruments and do all sorts of cool things with them (e.g., transform them, generate vocals for your guitar riff, use the melody as a jazz song, or just get some inspiration for what to add next). IMO AI alone will…

But then why are you going down the dead-end route of generating complete songs? Nobody wants this except marketing people. I've said it before, there, is no consumer market for an infinity jukebox because you can't sing along with songs you don't already know, there's already an overabundance of recorded music, and emotion in generative music (especially vocals) is fake. Nobody likes fakery for its own sake. Markete…

> Many musicians love sequencers, arpeggiators, chord generators, and other musical automata; what they don't love is a magic 8-ball that leaves them with nothing to do and makes them feel uncreative.

I think this is the key bit. A lot of modern music is already created in the DAW (the original version of FL Studio picking a 140bpm default beat defined entire music scenes in the UK!) with copy/paste, samples, arpeggiators and other midi tools and pitch shifting. Asking a prompt to add four bars of accompaniment which have a $vaguetextinstruction relation to the underlying beat and then picking your favourite but asking them to $vaguetextinstruction the dynamics a bit can actually feel more like part of the creative process than browsing a sample library for options or painstakingly moving notes around on a piano roll. Asking a prompt to create two minutes of produced sound incorporating your lyrics, not so much.

And I think a DAW-lite option, ideally capable of both MIDI and produced sound output is the way forward here. Better still with i/o to existing DAWs

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by [deleted] »

cush wrote: post #73

There's a lot of negative comments here, but these are the earliest days and generating entire songs is kind of the hello world of this tech. There's always going to be a balance between creating high level tools like this with no dials and low level tools with finer control, and while this touts itself as being "more controllable", it's clearly not there. But, the same way Adobe has integrated outpainting and genera…

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