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Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by visarga »

boringg wrote: post #62

I want to say two things -- one congrats - I am sure your team has been working exceptionally hard to develop this - and the songs sound reasonable good for AI! Two I am soo competely unenthusiastic about AI music and it infiltrating the music world - all of it sounds like fingernails on a chalkboard. Just mainstream overproduced low quality radio music. I know its a stepping stone but it kills me to listen to it rig…

That's because you didn't listen to the MIT license song. Gen music has the potential to make even the driest texts sound good, I didn't realize that before. How about paper abstract music? https://suno.com/song/cb729eb6-4cc5-4c15-ab74-0cdbef779684

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by zaptrem »

garyrob wrote: post #66

My hobby is songwriting. (Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjng3UoKkGk ) I play guitar, but I'm not much of a guitarist or singer. I really like songwriting, not trying to be polished as a performer. So I intermittently look into the AI world to see whether it has tools I could use to generate a higher-quality song demo than I could do on my own. I've been looking for something that could take a chord progres…

Awesome to hear this resonates with you! If you join our Discord server I'll ping @everyone when improvements are ready.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by visarga »

zaptrem wrote: post #84
Version467 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify, when you say never . Do you actually mean never (or some practical equivalent like ~100 years), or do you mean not right now, but possibly in 5-10 years? I'm just asking to try to build some intuition on what people who actually train soa models think were capabilities are heading. Either way, congrats on the launch :)

Never == "There will never be tears in my eyes as an AI sings ChatGPT-generated lyrics about the cycle of poverty a woman is stuck in ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Car ) because I know all of those experiences are made up."

The real value of AI is to be like a map, or like a mirror house, it reflects and recombines all our experiences. You can explore any mental space, travel the latent space of human culture. It is the distillation of all our intelligence, work and passion, you should show more respect and understand what it is. By treating it as if it were worthless you indirectly do the same for the training corpus, which is our heritage.

If AI ever surpasses human level in art it will be more interesting to enjoy its creations than to ban it. But we're not there for now, it just imitative, it has no experiences of its own yet. But it will start having experiences as it gets deployed and used by millions, when it starts interacting with artists and art lovers in longer sessions. With each generative art session the AI can collect precious feedback targeted to its own performance. A shared experience with a human bringing complementary capabilities to its own.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by anigbrowl »

zaptrem wrote: post #56
adrianh wrote: post #53

I'm interested to hear more about your statement of "Our goal is to enable more of you, not replace you." Speaking as a musician who plays real instruments (as opposed to electronic production): how does this help me? And how does this enable more of me? I am asking with an open mind, with no cynicism intended.

If the future of music was truly just typing some text into a box and taking or leaving what the machine gives you that would be kinda depressing. We want you to be able to upload recordings of your real instruments and do all sorts of cool things with them (e.g., transform them, generate vocals for your guitar riff, use the melody as a jazz song, or just get some inspiration for what to add next). IMO AI alone will…

But then why are you going down the dead-end route of generating complete songs? Nobody wants this except marketing people.

I've said it before, there, is no consumer market for an infinity jukebox because you can't sing along with songs you don't already know, there's already an overabundance of recorded music, and emotion in generative music (especially vocals) is fake. Nobody likes fakery for its own sake. Marketers like it because they want musical wallpaper, the same way commercials have it and it increasingly seeps into 'news' coverage. The market for fully-generated songs is background music in supermarkets, product launch videos, and in-group entertainment ('original songs for your company holiday party! Hilarious musical portraits of your favorite executives - us!').

If you want to innovate in this area (and you should, your diffusion model sounds interesting), make an AI band that can accompany solo musicians. Prioritize note data rather than fully produced tracks (you can have an AI mix engineer as well as an AI bass player or drummer). Give people tools to build something in stages and they'll get invested in it. People want interactivity, not a slot machine. Many musicians love sequencers, arpeggiators, chord generators, and other musical automata; what they don't love is a magic 8-ball that leaves themw ith nothing to do and makes them feel uncreative.

Otherwise your product will just end up on the cultural scrapheap, associated with lowest-common denominator fakers spamming social media as is already happening with imagery.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by postalrat »

4chandaily wrote: post #85
postalrat wrote: post #80

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The problem is 1 person creating 10,000 accounts. Solve that and you will be rich.

Why solve it at all? 10,000 fake accounts for every human is working out great for Elon. =) Seriously, though - the solution isn't to prevent people from doing this, it is to remove the incentives that encourage it.

How do you remove the incentive? Don't allow free accounts?

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by arisAlexis »

lta wrote: post #90
zaptrem wrote: post #24

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This would be so cool, but we need to think more about how we could do it and make enough money in the future to train more models with even cooler features.

That's a very polite way to say no. Thanks for the answer. Personally not interested then. I'll stick with Bitwig and Ardour until an open model is available

meta has billions. Other startups can't just donate their IP to the world and then raise money to do multimillion training runs

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by pksebben »

lta wrote: post #90
zaptrem wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would be so cool, but we need to think more about how we could do it and make enough money in the future to train more models with even cooler features.

That's a very polite way to say no. Thanks for the answer. Personally not interested then. I'll stick with Bitwig and Ardour until an open model is available

Neither of those look like they have a generative AI component.

We (as a society) desperately need a way to train these models in a federated, distributed manner. I would be more than happy to commit some of my own compute to training open audio / text / image / you-name-it models.

But (if I understand correctly) the current architecture makes this if not impossible, nearly so.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by rlp »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #11

Check out what Udio can produce. It's so far ahead. https://twitter.com/nasescobar316/status/1777481957774872704 https://twitter.com/apples_jimmy/status/1777905772384678149 https://twitter.com/HalimAlrasihi/status/1778118063138673137 https://twitter.com/AngryTomtweets/status/177811764524768059... https://twitter.com/AngryTomtweets/status/177811769943385715...

Wow. I just had it write a song about being sad about losing my keys in r&b/soul style, I'm totally blown away:

https://www.udio.com/songs/bDY5CYdJZP93AdpgpfBJNX

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by pksebben »

zaptrem wrote: post #34
throw_m239339 wrote: post #26

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> Still I love this, ultimately I think it'll be a tool musicians use vs something for creating stand alone art Spotify is getting flooded with AI generated music. It is absolutely something people will use to just generate the music they want to hear. Ultimately though, what would be the point of spotify? Anybody will be able to generate 24/7 of songs based on their mood or a few keywords. It will radically change t…

If this were the future that would be kinda depressing. I think the best, truly catchy songs and those that truly connect with people will continue having a significant human element. I see this as similar to the invention of Photoshop except even easier for normal people to start getting into.

So long as there's something to miss about human-generated content, there will be a market for that content.

Things are going to get truly weird when you can no longer tell the difference, on any level.

Re: Show HN: Sonauto – A more controllable AI music creator

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Post by digging »

Version467 wrote: post #69
zaptrem wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the future of music was truly just typing some text into a box and taking or leaving what the machine gives you that would be kinda depressing. We want you to be able to upload recordings of your real instruments and do all sorts of cool things with them (e.g., transform them, generate vocals for your guitar riff, use the melody as a jazz song, or just get some inspiration for what to add next). IMO AI alone will…

Just to clarify, when you say never . Do you actually mean never (or some practical equivalent like ~100 years), or do you mean not right now, but possibly in 5-10 years? I'm just asking to try to build some intuition on what people who actually train soa models think were capabilities are heading. Either way, congrats on the launch :)

Personally I get very worried reading statements like "AI will never be able to do X", because they seem like obviously false statements. I think if one asserts AI will never be able to do a thing a human brain can do, that needs to be proven, rather than the other way around. For example, if we could reverse engineer the entire human neurology and build an artificial replica of it, why wouldn't we expect it to be able to do everything exactly as a human?
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