996 working hour system
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996 working hour system
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#2Don't give Jeff Bezos new ideas!
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#3And you wonder why China is experiencing brain drain. Rest of world is moving toward 4-day work week and these guys think their citizens are dumb enough to slave away their lives.
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#4Don't give Jeff Bezos new ideas!
Do you think its kyriarch's ideas that drive oppression? The corporate egregore hungers for profit, and will squeeze every ounce of value from the world that's not nailed down, ie consciously resisted. The man has already heard of "longer working hours," and the only thing stopping their implementation is our self-respect.
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#5And you wonder why China is experiencing brain drain. Rest of world is moving toward 4-day work week and these guys think their citizens are dumb enough to slave away their lives.
>Rest of world is moving toward 4-day work week
Where, exactly, is this happening?
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#6And you wonder why China is experiencing brain drain. Rest of world is moving toward 4-day work week and these guys think their citizens are dumb enough to slave away their lives.
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#7And you wonder why China is experiencing brain drain. Rest of world is moving toward 4-day work week and these guys think their citizens are dumb enough to slave away their lives.
>Rest of world is moving toward 4-day work week Where, exactly, is this happening?
https://www.4dayweek.com/casestudies
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39457728 ("HN: 4-day week made permanent for 89% UK firms who took part in Worlds biggest trial")
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/14/countries-that-are-embracing... ("4 countries that are embracing—or experimenting with—the 4-day workweek")
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/companies-around-the-wo... ("Companies around the world adopt four-day work week pilot programs to meet growing demand from Gen-Z and millennial employees")
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/08/1211632901/schools-across-the... ("Schools across the U.S. are trying a 4-day week. Why? To retain teachers") (My note: ~1000 US school districts have moved to a four day week, as they are unable to retain teachers otherwise)
https://www.police1.com/colo-pd-extends-32-hour-work-week-pr... ("Colorado police dept extends 32-hour work week program after successful start")
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#8I just don't get how knowledge workers can slave away like that.
I can be productive for 12-15 hours a day when the conditions are just right, but usually they aren't and after a few hours I need to switch to something less productive than actual coding.
Do employers really see any measurable improvement in volume (let alone quality) of output after 30 hours a week?
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#9Don't give Jeff Bezos new ideas!
I think he's been there, done that. What fraction of products sold on Amazon do you think originate in China?
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#10So, I talked to someone who had worked at AliBaba for a bit (Son Luong Ngoc) and learned a lot. Some of the 996 is related to the company campus providing everything at a pretty low cost and a sort of presentism where being around is rewarded. All that plus the jobs are considered great jobs within China, and there is cut-throat performance competition process.
Also, I think sleeping at work, taking a nap while waiting for something to run, or waiting on another team are encouraged. Excuse the link drop, but if you want to see some pictures of tents set up for sleeping scroll down to the bottom here:
https://corecursive.com/software-world-tour-with-son-luong-n...
To me, from Son's experience, some of it sounds like giant tech campuses in NA, but with competitiveness and cutthroat performance reviews taken to it's logical extreme.
I'd love to hear your stories if you've worked at ByteDance, Alibaba, or any other similar company. What was it like? What do we get wrong from the outside?
Also your experiences could be a fit for my podcast. Hit me up (see profile).