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Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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jorvi wrote: post #31
monospaced wrote: post #3

The will likely be using Phoenix: https://www.dataport.de/about-phoenix/ The German government developed a fully free and open source solution that is quite similar (consisting of Nextcloud, jitsi, Collabora etc.) and can be deployed using Kubernetes: https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/opendesk

It’s kind of a bummer that there’s a bunch of these separate OSS initiatives in Spain, France, Germany and a few other countries.. Instead of everyone rolling their own subvariant of Nextcloud, Matrix, LibreOffice etc, imagine if there was an EU mandate set up and some serious money was budgeted to it. You’d get a triple multiplier of more budget, less duplication of effort, and a self-reinforcing cycle where more us…

Yeah, then they could use it in... Jorvi. ;-D

Could be familiar to you, but if not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorvi_Hospital

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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otherme123 wrote: post #217
jorvi wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s kind of a bummer that there’s a bunch of these separate OSS initiatives in Spain, France, Germany and a few other countries.. Instead of everyone rolling their own subvariant of Nextcloud, Matrix, LibreOffice etc, imagine if there was an EU mandate set up and some serious money was budgeted to it. You’d get a triple multiplier of more budget, less duplication of effort, and a self-reinforcing cycle where more us…

This is a mistake at this phase. Right now, we europeans still didn't figure out what is the best way, so each country tries something different. With time, failures will be replaced with winners.

Yeah, that must be why it's been such an overwhelming success story ever since Munich started it in 2003.

/s, in case anyone wondered.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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ctrw wrote: post #335
Qwertious wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS also keeps winning because they have billions of dollars to pour into the UX of their Office suite. The FOSS community doesn't spend a lot of money on hiring professional UI designers, and it's "do-ocracy" doesn't handle UI design well because UI design isn't seen as "doing" so much as nitpicking the choices of the programmers who are "doing all the work". MS bribery is a factor, but if we use it as an excuse to i…

I've never met anyone who said 'yes, the new change in UI for office is amazing, I'm so happy all my memorisation of UI elements is now obsolete'.

I don't care how many upvotes the parent comment has, it needs more.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by CRConrad »

vasco wrote: post #188
mariusor wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a specific critique of the StackIt cloud that makes you put "alternative" in quotes? Do share if that's the case.

"The pricing page is a PDF" is right there in my post. I can get deeper but as we say in my language, "for those who want to understand, half a word is enough".

You didn't explain what's wrong with having the pricing page as a PDF. WTF is supposed to be wrong with that???

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by CRConrad »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #30

> Why should local governments use taxpayers’ money to buy proprietary, closed software from a single vendor? I don't want to be a pessimist, but working with non-traditional tools is going to cost the taxpayers more money when important documents are not formatted correctly or the software behaves differently than the proprietary alternatives. Linux is successful on the server because it has huge corporate backing.…

> I don't want to be a pessimist, but working with non-traditional tools is going to cost the taxpayers more money when important documents are not formatted correctly or the software behaves differently than the proprietary alternatives.

Comes in handy for The Dominant Vendor, who can claim that "formatted correctly" is defined as the way their software formats stuff.

So I can understand Microsoft championning that definition, but why do you?

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by CRConrad »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #297
jraph wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have actual elements? Actual pain points? The details you are mentioning?

The simple fact that 30 years got the Linux Desktop to 3% desktop market share should be a very loud signal that this isn't going to work.

So... No elements, no pain points, no details. Thank you.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by CRConrad »

mbs159 wrote: post #354
zelphirkalt wrote: post #185

Less of my tax money into the hands of companies that do comply with EU law, ergo criminals, great! I hope they have some solution in mind for cooperatively working on documents. That seems to be a big hurdle. Maybe some Nextcloud thing, that outputs ODT and only for locally working using LO? Or does LO offer collaborative features now?

Someone is salty as hell, chill bro. Also, calling Microsoft a company that complies with EU law is kind of funny. I guess they must be constantly fined due to some prejudice?

Thart was a pretty obvious typo for "don't"; if they did, that wouldn't lead to the conclusion "ergo, criminals".

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by CRConrad »

nogajun wrote: post #307

LibreOffice may be useful for German, but not for Asian languages. This is because it was designed without regard to the typographical rules of the Asian-speaking world. You could say that TDF is "committed to Asian languages". But text is meaningless unless it can be used according to typographic rules, not just to display characters. They do not understand that. And the problem is that the user interface is stuck i…

> They don't understand that the Ribbon UI has been around for 17 years and generations have changed.

The bubonic plague has been around for hundreds of years, so it must be great, right?

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by CRConrad »

non-chalad wrote: post #156
Isolus wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they didn't. That happened for example in Munich. But that is on the other side of Germany. And there is already a joke that MS can't move their german headquarters every time a state or big city want's to move away from MS products. (They did this when Munich changed back to MS producs - but of course this was pure coincidence.)

Yes, Bavaria is practically an entirely different state, with its' own language, religion, politics, and culture.

Not just "practically", but actually, factually, and legally: Yes, the state of Bavaria is indeed an entirely different state than the state of Schleswig-Holstein. That's like saying "Virginia is practically an entirely different state than California" -- WTF do you mean, "practically"?!? It IS a different state!

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by CRConrad »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #360

This is the best thing to happen to Linux desktop, ever. Linux has dominated the server OS market since a long time. This is likely be the butterfly’s wing, the trigger to make Linux desktop break into consumer market. Libreoffice will likely get much more investment after this, likely triggering a cascade of investments to the desktop Linux ecosystem.

> This is the best thing to happen to Linux desktop, ever.

That's what we all said about Munich in 2003, too.

So, I'm hopeful, but not exactly holding my breath.

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