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Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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I still don't see any actual casual link. Nor do I see any evidence given that the situation would improve if social media was banned or restricted, the few he does give don't talk about mental illness, but rather general wellness and add in more variables like exercise. There were other problems like "fake" data or non-significant changes labeled as significant. I haven't even seen enough evidence to show correlatio…

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Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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I don't understand the point you're trying to make. I for one deleted all of those platforms and my life is definitely better (I'm way less distracted for once, but the list is longer). What do I care what others do?

My life is also better, overall. However, I do miss out on important life updates from my friends because I'm not on Instagram. I could be a hardliner and say "well they don't care about me enough to share 1-on-1, so they're not real friends", but that's... stupid. I feel sad for missing out on opportunities to take part in their lives and life updates that way, and I know for a fact that there are rich connections/c…

What do you talk about with your friends if the important life events don't come up?

Perhaps I just have boring friends that we resort to sometimes talking about what is going on in our lives. I also wouldn't feel like less of a friend if they didn't tell me something, but important life events in their lives are usually important to them, which means that they ultimately end up talking about them in some way or another.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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And then there are also those companies/institutions/orgs/news/shops that make you left behind from otherwise useful information or services by not being on social media platforms.

And then there's Therapist who keep saying everyone should be in therapy and drug companies with the latest in psychopharmacology. Histeria (and the virbrator), ice pick lobotomies, electro shock therapy, Quaalude, Benzodiazepines (valium) as mothers little helpers, MAOI's, SRRI's (PSSD), Benzodiazepines again (Xanax, klonipin). And for good measure a few variations of adrenal Ritalin and other methamphetamines. Mayb…

Your tirade against an almost ridiculously broad spectrum of drugs isn’t at all similar to what’s being discussed here, and reeks of a hidden agenda or bias. Many, if not all, of the medications you listed have been a net benefit for the individual and the world.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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The author had it right in the first paragraph. In the 90s version of this hysteria, Congress passed a law that would have prevented access to education medical information, dirty curse words, and other filth from being published on the internet to protect the children. The federal government fought a case all the way to the Supreme Court to enforce it. If they had won that case, the internet would look very differen…

This is naive. Not using any of these platforms means that for a great degree you are isolating yourself socially.

Big tech already plays a alrge part in how our society is shaped and defending them means they don't have to face their responsibilities. Boiling this down a mere question of "free speech" is a very amerocentric point of view.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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The author had it right in the first paragraph. In the 90s version of this hysteria, Congress passed a law that would have prevented access to education medical information, dirty curse words, and other filth from being published on the internet to protect the children. The federal government fought a case all the way to the Supreme Court to enforce it. If they had won that case, the internet would look very differen…

I am into wildlife & nature in general. In my country, public institutions in charge with wildlife & nature have started for some time posting interesting videos, projects and images on facebook. They don't post them anywhere else, if you can believe it.

Here, everyone has facebook, from your grandma to your little cousin. My family is spread all over the country and you can keep in touch via text, phone but seeing what they are doing with pictures on facebook is very convenient and helpful.

Yes, the older/younger crowd do eat up conspiracies on facebook, sadly. They also don't read news sites, all the news is from facebook and TV maybe (older crowd).

Still, you are missing out a lot if you don't have it here. For example like meeting new people even. That "friends of friends" feature is immense. Kind of a social proof that you are normal/not a creep/have friends.

In the end it comes down to education. The first 7 years at home are ridiculously important. Then you have primary school for another 8 years, which is almost as important.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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The author had it right in the first paragraph. In the 90s version of this hysteria, Congress passed a law that would have prevented access to education medical information, dirty curse words, and other filth from being published on the internet to protect the children. The federal government fought a case all the way to the Supreme Court to enforce it. If they had won that case, the internet would look very differen…

> Restrict your children'ss access to these platforms. I'm the only parent I know that has. And there is much resentment.

Hang on in there mate. If not now, eventually they will be grateful.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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I'm no saint when it comes to addiction and being on my phone for more than I should be, but I have a sister who is in her mid 20s right now, and for the last couple of years she has slowly isolated herself from life and her family, she spends most of her time in her room on the phone and does weird things like get cosmetic surgeries, ordering cosmetics, etc. It's bizarre. She does this and all the while never leaves…

As I'm trying to find a more charitable point of view on her lifestyle: if this is how she prefers to spend her free time and if it doesn't impair her ability to exist as a functioning adult, is it really that bad? I mean I personally know people who rarely interact with others other than work, and do weird things like playing with electronics and games all day, mostly just for fun and not for profit. They are often…

Are we talking about long lasting happiness or repeated short lasting pleasures ?

Are your short term pleasures in line with your long term goals ?

That's what supposedly differentiate us from most other animals, the capability to think about the future, and act accordingly. Regret is one of the worse feeling

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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> the constant comparison hellhole like Instagram that is causing mental illness. Anecdotally, Instagram ranks much lower than Reddit for causing problems among the young kids I’ve worked with. Reddit is an absolutely cesspool of misinformation, fake stories, propaganda, and rampant doomerism. Scrolling Instagram can’t hold a candle to the militant doomerism that seethes from sites like Reddit. I think it’s an uncomf…

Reddit now is not even vaguely close to the site it used to be. Doomerism is popular on Reddit because the power users are Reddit are basically everyone who failed life. Can't get a job, can't find a partner, no friend, and normally for reasons their own fault. Those people used to be social shunned and live on the edge of town but now their voice gets amplified 1000x because they are willing to live online 24/7 and…

Can you really say they failed at life when they have so much power over society? Some moderators have control over an audiance of millions, something media moguls like Ted Turner dreamed of in the beginning of his career.

If anything the real losers are the people like you and me who frequent the site but didn't take advantage of the opportunity that it provides.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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> I grew up in Sweden, where strong alcohol is only sold in a state owned company It worked so well, that alcoholism rates in Sweden are higher than in some countries where the sales of strong alcohol are not a state monopoly. A closer look shows that even the neighboring Scandinavian countries are doing better.. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcoholis...

if you're implying causality by saying it worked well, that's probably backwards. a country with no problems with alcohol consumption won't have any need to create strong regulations. the implication that deregulating alcohol in sweden would decrease consumption seems bizarre.

I'm replying to the postulate made by OP that potentially addictive items need to be regulated strongly, using the example of strong alcohol restrictions from the country he grew up with.

The sarcastic comment that "it was going well" was made to highlight that the very example cited was unfortunate, with many, many countries with unregulated strong alcohol having notably lower alcoholism percentages. Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, France, Spain, Italy, etc.

So perhaps the root of the problem is not the lack of prohibition, or the lack of monopolistic state control, as, clearly, other countries have done better without. Which bring the thought that perhaps, it is not much more than an unsatisfactory, overbearing measure due to a lack of more fundamental approach to "healthy" alcohol consumption, whatever it might be.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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My personal believe is that the problem is not social media in itself, it is the endless feed that changes interactions from deliberate choice and discovery to drinking from a firehose.

Honestly, we just stop calling this influencer marketing and algorithmic feeds 'social media' and call it what it is: commercials and propaganda that is intermingled into our social fabric. And I can believe that that is damaging..

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