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Re: Jack Ma steps out from the shadows with morale-boosting post

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Post by non-chalad »

RangerScience wrote: post #8
daghamm wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is still ruled by communism, the goverment has a majority share in every company. That's bad for entrepreneurs, but also means that they can have the entire power of CCP behind them. There are tons of example where a small company started by stealing from western competitors then suddenly produced a huge pile of cash out of nowhere to bought those competitors and took over their marketshare in the west.

/Personally/, I’d attribute that more to authoritarianism than communism, but the two have been commingled since Lenin so it’s not necessarily an important difference.

Isn't communism supposed to be achieved through authoritarianism, after which the state "withers away" [sic]?

Re: Jack Ma steps out from the shadows with morale-boosting post

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Post by RangerScience »

non-chalad wrote: post #11
RangerScience wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

/Personally/, I’d attribute that more to authoritarianism than communism, but the two have been commingled since Lenin so it’s not necessarily an important difference.

Isn't communism supposed to be achieved through authoritarianism, after which the state "withers away" [sic]?

AFAIK (“Seeing like a State”), that’s specific to the Leninist modality. I very well could be misinformed, but, the book mentions essentially a moment where democratic-socialism was co-opted by authoritarian communism (Leninism), so that’s what the world ended up with.

Re: Jack Ma steps out from the shadows with morale-boosting post

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Post by gloryjulio »

daghamm wrote: post #4
roenxi wrote: post #2

Just going by appearances, the story at the time looked a lot like Jack Ma fleeing the country for a bit. One minute he was disturbing the tranquillity in China then the next he was picking up some Zen among the cherry blossoms. It is interesting to compare-and-contrast Jack Ma and Elon Musk who seems to me the nearest analogue in the US. How their host countries treat them says a lot about the real cultural differen…

China is still ruled by communism, the goverment has a majority share in every company. That's bad for entrepreneurs, but also means that they can have the entire power of CCP behind them. There are tons of example where a small company started by stealing from western competitors then suddenly produced a huge pile of cash out of nowhere to bought those competitors and took over their marketshare in the west.

While 'goverment has a majority share in every company' is very likely not true, but CCP does have control over the the companies whenever they want.

They would force CCP member into the board and setup CCP organizations within the companies. Anyone who deals with China's companies would need to understand this. You are always dealing with CCP behind it

Re: Jack Ma steps out from the shadows with morale-boosting post

#14

Post by starspangled »

amou234 wrote: post #5

The last blurb in the article is the most damning part. "Ma spends much of his time abroad, especially in Japan where he is a visiting professor at Tokyo College, a research institute run by the University of Tokyo" Jack Ma has no hope for China, as evident by his action. The long internal post may have been requested by the Chinese government, or his staff, to somehow rally Alibaba's failing image. But Jack sees the…

The young in China knows what? What do you mean by laying flat, and do you have any data for emigration trends?

Re: Jack Ma steps out from the shadows with morale-boosting post

#15

Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

RangerScience wrote: post #8
daghamm wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is still ruled by communism, the goverment has a majority share in every company. That's bad for entrepreneurs, but also means that they can have the entire power of CCP behind them. There are tons of example where a small company started by stealing from western competitors then suddenly produced a huge pile of cash out of nowhere to bought those competitors and took over their marketshare in the west.

/Personally/, I’d attribute that more to authoritarianism than communism, but the two have been commingled since Lenin so it’s not necessarily an important difference.

The reason why communism is always associated with authoritarianism is mainly the process by which it is introduced: it is impossible that all citizens agree that a state becomes communist so it has to be introduced by force. And once you get this power over the lives of all your citizens, you don't want to give it back (which also makes sense because they could overthrow communism).

The only societies where communism works without authoritarianism are communes like the Longo Maï where people come by choice, not by force.

Re: Jack Ma steps out from the shadows with morale-boosting post

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Post by re »

starspangled wrote: post #14
amou234 wrote: post #5

The last blurb in the article is the most damning part. "Ma spends much of his time abroad, especially in Japan where he is a visiting professor at Tokyo College, a research institute run by the University of Tokyo" Jack Ma has no hope for China, as evident by his action. The long internal post may have been requested by the Chinese government, or his staff, to somehow rally Alibaba's failing image. But Jack sees the…

The young in China knows what? What do you mean by laying flat, and do you have any data for emigration trends?

>laying flat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_ping

Re: Jack Ma steps out from the shadows with morale-boosting post

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Post by slowmotiony »

jfim wrote: post #6
daghamm wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is still ruled by communism, the goverment has a majority share in every company. That's bad for entrepreneurs, but also means that they can have the entire power of CCP behind them. There are tons of example where a small company started by stealing from western competitors then suddenly produced a huge pile of cash out of nowhere to bought those competitors and took over their marketshare in the west.

Do you have examples of such companies? I'm curious to see which industries they were in.

The boss of ARM China was fired by the company board, decided he has a different opinion on the matter, changed the locks to the office and just stopped communicating with the rest of the company. The chinese courts sided with him, then when SoftBank acquired them, the company staff just left, took all the IP and started a new company.

https://www.semianalysis.com/p/the-semiconductor-heist-of-th... https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/ousted-arm-china-...

Re: Jack Ma steps out from the shadows with morale-boosting post

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Post by qsort »

daghamm wrote: post #4
roenxi wrote: post #2

Just going by appearances, the story at the time looked a lot like Jack Ma fleeing the country for a bit. One minute he was disturbing the tranquillity in China then the next he was picking up some Zen among the cherry blossoms. It is interesting to compare-and-contrast Jack Ma and Elon Musk who seems to me the nearest analogue in the US. How their host countries treat them says a lot about the real cultural differen…

China is still ruled by communism, the goverment has a majority share in every company. That's bad for entrepreneurs, but also means that they can have the entire power of CCP behind them. There are tons of example where a small company started by stealing from western competitors then suddenly produced a huge pile of cash out of nowhere to bought those competitors and took over their marketshare in the west.

The CCP is communist like I'm Chinese. They're just run-of-the-mill nationalist authoritarians.

Re: Jack Ma steps out from the shadows with morale-boosting post

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Post by aaron695 »

roenxi wrote: post #2

Just going by appearances, the story at the time looked a lot like Jack Ma fleeing the country for a bit. One minute he was disturbing the tranquillity in China then the next he was picking up some Zen among the cherry blossoms. It is interesting to compare-and-contrast Jack Ma and Elon Musk who seems to me the nearest analogue in the US. How their host countries treat them says a lot about the real cultural differen…

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