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Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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I'm sceptical of the claim that social media is causing teen mental illness. I've thought about this quite a bit, but never wrote my thoughts anywhere so I guess here and now is as a good time as any. I think Haidt's assertion that social media is to blame for the rise in teen mental illness is likely indirectly true, but from what I've observed personally even kids that don't frequently use social networking apps st…

Sorry for the short answer but the rest of us who weren't glued to our phones were impacted too. You know how hard it is to gain meaningful friendship in a nihilistic, dopamine and scrolling-addicted environment?

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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When we was teenagers we had unrestricted broadband access to the internet but what was missing was the constant comparison hellhole like Instagram that is causing mental illness.

WaReZ, KaZaA, Ogrish, CD-Keys, drugs, weapon making tutorials, Mail-order-drugs. This was the wild west days of the internet. You could literally put up anything you could sell anything and everything. Classmates were downloading roms, porn, warez, emulators and selling it on CDs. One kid would hack for hire. A black market of sorts was born out of the basketball court. No verification and adults didnt know how to handle it other than installing spyware which we quickly knew how to disable at school.

We would play basketball after middle school and talk about all the crazy stuff we found on the internet. The most disturbing memories were of my classmates talking about snuff films coming out of the second Chechen War (1999), beheadings, crazy stuff . We would always try to out do one another.

Some of us even successfully manipulated our parents to watch porn ("dad i think i like boys i think i need to watch straight porn")

I turned out just fi

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jonathan Haidt, the author of this article, was on Real Time w Bill Maher recently, and has some simple recommendations with respect to phones and social media: 1. No smartphones for kids before high school — give them only flip phones in middle school. 2. No social media before age 16. 3. Make schools phone-free, by putting devices in phone lockers or Yondr pouches. 4. Give kids far more free play and independence,…

Why 16 specifically? Apparently the brain doesn't stop developing until much later, around 25.

So you want to ban smart phones for young adults? Good luck with that.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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I will attempt to at least inject some hope into this discussion.

My formative years from ages 15-25 were spent in the 80's and 90's. It was the apex of the mall experience. We saw the mall as a place to get away from our parents, hang out with our buds, run into other classmates and feel some sense of freedom while running amok playing video games in the arcade and chowing down tacos in the food court.

Then smartphones and the internet came and all the malls started closing up, dying off and there was an entire generation that just ignored or forgot about them. Most of the malls around where I live have all but closed.

There are still a few open and now? They're thriving. My family now goes together on the weekends and its amazing. All the teenagers are in the food court, in their groups, talking, eating and socializing. You see groups of teens wondering in and out of the stores. I see a very similar cultural revolution happening and its really refreshing. The mall is truly a phoenix rising from its once former ashes. The major anchor stores are constantly busy no matter what night you go there. The movie theater is busy almost every night and its packed on the weekends. Its like an entire generation has re-discovered the mall again and its refreshing to see.

Sometimes I feel like I'm in a dream because so many other malls just north or south of us have either died and been leveled, or are in various forms of trying to reinvent themselves as something else before its too late.

Either way, what I saw in my experiences at our local mall gave me hope that the Zoomers are in some ways, taking a break from their phones and going out and having a different experience and returning to socializing with their friends and creating a new way of connecting with people they're close to. My son said he still uses his phone when he's at the mall, but just to make plans to meet his other buddies and coordinate where they're all going to meet up. For the most part, once they meet up, they all stop using their phones.

So yes, there is hope yet.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jonathan Haidt, the author of this article, was on Real Time w Bill Maher recently, and has some simple recommendations with respect to phones and social media: 1. No smartphones for kids before high school — give them only flip phones in middle school. 2. No social media before age 16. 3. Make schools phone-free, by putting devices in phone lockers or Yondr pouches. 4. Give kids far more free play and independence,…

Why 16 specifically? Apparently the brain doesn't stop developing until much later, around 25.

i read today in Peter Sterling's - What is Health?... that the brain doesnt stop maturing until 45...i dont think social media is good for anyone - at any time.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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If parents really want to set a good example, they ought to also quit their smartphones and Social Media--or at least hide it better. Kids are really good at identifying hypocrisy. When they see their parents glued to their phones and scrolling Instagram all day, after being told "Oh, don't do that, it's not good for you" they know their parents are full of shit. And, the trouble is: Most of these adults are addicted…

> When they see their parents glued to their phones and scrolling Instagram all day, after being told "Oh, don't do that, it's not good for you" they know their parents are full of shit. Watching your parents turn into smartphone zombies should be a warning sign, maybe even something to rebel against. Unfortunately children do tend to pick up their parents' behaviors, bad and good.

I'm not surprised that some children do becomes Luddite, just like some becomes teetotaler because of drunkard parents. Unfortunately most of them also become drunkards.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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post #54

I'm sceptical of the claim that social media is causing teen mental illness. I've thought about this quite a bit, but never wrote my thoughts anywhere so I guess here and now is as a good time as any. I think Haidt's assertion that social media is to blame for the rise in teen mental illness is likely indirectly true, but from what I've observed personally even kids that don't frequently use social networking apps st…

I agree with this, but I will also do my best to limit smartphone and social media usage by my son.

To me the single biggest problem with western society is the idea that happiness is the ultimate goal in life. Happiness is an emotion, and you can’t force your body to experience one emotion all the time. Equanimity is the goal, and emotional control. If you tell someone they’re supposed to be happy all the time, they’re going to think something is wrong with them when they’re inevitably not.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jonathan Haidt, the author of this article, was on Real Time w Bill Maher recently, and has some simple recommendations with respect to phones and social media: 1. No smartphones for kids before high school — give them only flip phones in middle school. 2. No social media before age 16. 3. Make schools phone-free, by putting devices in phone lockers or Yondr pouches. 4. Give kids far more free play and independence,…

I don't get how phones became acceptable in schools. Imagine bringing a GameBoy into class in the 90s. It'd be taken away instantly.

As co-parents with different homes in nearby towns, being able to coordinate with each other and our multiple children at multiple schools in real time became indispensable.

The kids also used their phones constructively, for assignments, tracking school progress, Youtube how-to videos, contact with cousins, etc. They had social media accounts but they never became a focus.

At school they kept their phones on silent and in their bags.

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Fortunately three insights helped us:

1. Casual addiction is the intersection of two problems: an unhealthy addictive thing, and a lack of engaging or planned healthier alternatives.

Solve either one! But the latter problem is far tractable than the former.

2. There are only so many hours in a day, so solutions to the latter problem usually have a low complexity bound.

3. Social media isn't that rewarding for kids, once they have voluntarily invested their interest in longer term activities and challenges. Doom scrolling notably lacks any verifiable feeling of progress.

So solutions are pretty robust to ups and downs.

We kept our kids lives full of physical and real world social activities, family outings, social events at home, regularly eating times for talking and bonding, regular homework times, etc.

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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I will attempt to at least inject some hope into this discussion. My formative years from ages 15-25 were spent in the 80's and 90's. It was the apex of the mall experience. We saw the mall as a place to get away from our parents, hang out with our buds, run into other classmates and feel some sense of freedom while running amok playing video games in the arcade and chowing down tacos in the food court. Then smartpho…

idk if I feel that relieved that malls are our only hope

Re: Yes, social media is a cause of the epidemic of teenage mental illness

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Phone-free schools seem like an obvious way to fight this, but supposedly modern parents need constant access to their kids and tend to oppose the idea.

You don't get phone-free schools in a post-Uvalde world.

There's always a market for dumb phones.
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