Remember back around Antenna-gate, when Gruber was making the point that Apple wouldn't just give away iPhone bumpers cause Apple wanted that "bumper money?" His Argument was that even though each is small money, they can add up to a significant sum, and Apple doesn't ever leave any money on the table. As Apple did with the bumpers, I wouldn't be surprised if Gruber didn't want to leave any of that "t-shirt money" or "app money" on the table. He has always seen himself as the mini-Jobs.
John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#152It's like a band.
Lots of good bands split up.
Some bands explain why, others just give a cryptic message.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#153As a long-time listener, I feel a peculiar closeness with the hosts, even though I've never met either one. Having witnessed [the public part of] their friendship evolve, it is sad to think that something may have happened that soured it. Still waiting to see what Dan/5by5 will say, as the silence on bigweek.co/twitter/5by5.tv has been uncomfortable, to say the least.
I still enjoy John's shows, but I agree with many others in this thread on this point: a year ago, TTS was the podcast in my list that I'd drop any other to listen to when a new one aired. Lately, that's become Hypercritical, which always leaves me feeling like I learned something.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#154So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19
Hi there, I'm Dan, CEO of Black Pixel. I'd like to clear the air on this issue. The application and the source code in question belongs to Black Pixel. We designed and developed the application in-house, at our own expense, and were going to license the binary for free, non-exclusive use on the 5by5 network, but that deal didn't work out. Quite some time later, we got to know the folks at Mule Radio, and felt like th…
> We've never received a dime of money for it from anyone
"Fuck you. Pay me" - Mike Monteiro.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Totally agreed. I know views are split on Gruber and I fell on the side of genuinely liking his blog and The Talk Show, but I think I'm done with both. I can't imagine how someone could do this to Dan. Hypercritical is the new hotness anyway.
Yeah, Dan seems like the kind of nice guy you just cant help but like. Seems to me like he's been stabbed in the back on this one. Shame on Gruber.
Disagree that he's been stabbed in the back. He was stabbed in the front.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#156This incident also sheds a different light on another tidbit on talk show history.
In one of the earlier episodes of the 5by5 version Dan and John were talking about how Dan's recommendation of "Silent Running" to John basically ended the first run of the talk show. At the time I thought that was just a joke. But after this I'm really wondering if that supposed friendship between the two wasn't all that strong after all.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#157As a long-time listener, I feel a peculiar closeness with the hosts, even though I've never met either one. Having witnessed [the public part of] their friendship evolve, it is sad to think that something may have happened that soured it. Still waiting to see what Dan/5by5 will say, as the silence on bigweek.co/twitter/5by5.tv has been uncomfortable, to say the least. I still enjoy John's shows, but I agree with many…
I just re listened to the last 5 minutes, and between the t-shirts that Dan says John approved (which he denies) and the jokes at John's expense, he was insulted. I'm sure there was more going on behind the scenes, but those two things are clearly the last straw.
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#158kind of a dick move by gruber. my thoughts on here
http://postwilliamsburg.com/2012/05/21/did-john-gruber-screw...
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#159Say what you will about Mike Arrington fueling lots of silly drama, but at least when something like this happens he's open about it and we get to hear his side of the story. By remaining tight-lipped, Dan's inviting lots of speculation. Which is worse? Last fall, Dan, John Siracusa, Merlin, and Marco were enchanted by his new producer, Faith Korpi. A couple of months later she disappeared. Jake Erickson wrote the fo…
The fact that within the span of a few months Dan lost Let's Make Mistakes
To be fair, Let's Make Mistakes wasn't "lost." Mike Monteiro actually spun it off into its own podcasting network: http://muleradio.net/
Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio
#160Gruber has always seemed a dick, which to be fair, is part of his charm. Dan has always seemed a gentleman, which is what made their banter so enjoyable. But this is low. Add the fact that neither Dan nor John have taken the high road and announced the split publicly and with decorum, is souring my opinion of both of them.
We couldn't know to what extent Dan was taken by surprise. It turns out he was at least somewhat surprised:
In light of that, I don't think the weekend was too long to wait for a statement from him.
Gruber, on the other hand, obviously knew of his own plans well in advance.