This is an illegal investigation.
Brazil Supreme Court orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news
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Re: Brazil Supreme Court orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news
#12The definition of free speech in Brazil is more modern and better than that in United States. Musk is mistaken, because the accounts of disinformation and violence are of people that place bombs in airports. Freedom of speech should not condone violent actions and it appears he wants to enable such behavior by giving Twitter accounts to those individuals.
Brazilian constitution, chapter 5, article 220, paragraph 2:
"Any and all censorship of a political, ideological or artistic nature is prohibited."
https://normas.leg.br/api/binario/e4a41982-7e50-4627-a65c-0d...
Re: Brazil Supreme Court orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news
#13The definition of free speech in Brazil is more modern and better than that in United States. Musk is mistaken, because the accounts of disinformation and violence are of people that place bombs in airports. Freedom of speech should not condone violent actions and it appears he wants to enable such behavior by giving Twitter accounts to those individuals.
Brazilian constitution, chapter 5, article 220, paragraph 2: "Any and all censorship of a political, ideological or artistic nature is prohibited." https://normas.leg.br/api/binario/e4a41982-7e50-4627-a65c-0d...
Brazilian HN users downvoting the Brazilian constitution. Not surprising.
Re: Brazil Supreme Court orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
America's far reaching free speech, enabling people to knowingly lie to the public, is more of an exception than the standard Being the first constitutional democracy, several mistakes were made (and carve outs to get the deal done)
I think it's better to allow people to lie in public than let the government decide what's the truth.
Can you tell all loud in an airport in the U.S that there is a bomb?
Would be a lie. But I'm certain that you can't lie about that in public...
Re: Brazil Supreme Court orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news
#15What a loser is Elon Musk, defending terrorists and people willing to bend reality, all because he's in panic with his shitty social network going downhill. Wasn't giving starlink to people killing the Yanomami enough?
Re: Brazil Supreme Court orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news
#16What a loser is Elon Musk, defending terrorists and people willing to bend reality, all because he's in panic with his shitty social network going downhill. Wasn't giving starlink to people killing the Yanomami enough?
Did you complain when it was Viasat or HughesNet? Because they had that before?
Re: Brazil Supreme Court orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brazilian constitution, chapter 5, article 220, paragraph 2: "Any and all censorship of a political, ideological or artistic nature is prohibited." https://normas.leg.br/api/binario/e4a41982-7e50-4627-a65c-0d...
Brazilian HN users downvoting the Brazilian constitution. Not surprising.
They downvoted me when I said thank you. You made an extremely informative and well referenced post which detailed the infractions of the judges. I thanked you for it and saved the post. And I got downvoted for it.
I'll reiterate the point here by also citing the brazilian constitution:
> The expression of thought is free
> The expression of intellectual, artistic, scientific and communication activities are free, independently of censure of license
> The manifestation of thought, creation, of expression and of information, in any form and by any process or vehicle, shall suffer no restriction
> Any and all censorship of political, ideological and artistic nature is prohibited
That's what it says. Censorship is illegal. No doubt about it.
Re: Brazil Supreme Court orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn’t even true of American free speech. Defamation laws do exist. And you cannot knowingly lie under many circumstances (for example, executives at companies, advertisements, making medical claims, etc).
If you knowingly lie and get sued then a judge will decide if you're guilty of anything, which is very different than having the government decide beforehand what you can and what you can't say.
> which is very different than having the government decide beforehand what you can and what you can't say
This is before-the-fact censorship has happened here. Before the 2022 elections, these same judges targeting Elon Musk censored a documentary before it was ever published.
Censorship equals dictatorship. It's that simple. Brazil is not a democracy. I want the whole world to know that.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brazilian constitution, chapter 5, article 220, paragraph 2: "Any and all censorship of a political, ideological or artistic nature is prohibited." https://normas.leg.br/api/binario/e4a41982-7e50-4627-a65c-0d...
Brazilian HN users downvoting the Brazilian constitution. Not surprising.
Because the comment was like saying "no person should be jailed because the constitution says that everyone is free"! No rights is absolute, if you commit crimes or if one right conflicts with another, compromises will be made. And Brazilian laws allows to content to be removed online for reasons of investigation, hate speech or unbased defamation.
Re: Brazil Supreme Court orders investigation of Elon Musk over fake news
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Brazilian constitution, chapter 5, article 220, paragraph 2: "Any and all censorship of a political, ideological or artistic nature is prohibited." https://normas.leg.br/api/binario/e4a41982-7e50-4627-a65c-0d...
Brazilian HN users downvoting the Brazilian constitution. Not surprising.
HN has been contaminated. It is mostly useless for anything political as it attracts the attention of a particular crowd.