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How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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Post by bojan »

kilpikaarna wrote: post #845
usr1106 wrote: post #669

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Finland has been a very poor country after WW II until the 1970s (compared to Sweden who had no war or Germany who lost the war). An economy best compared to Portugal or Greece. The was a first overheating boom in the end of the 1980s, until a heavy recession took over in the 1990s. The next boom was Nokia driven in the 2000s until the global banking crisis. Since Nokia has fallen (well, it still exists but with a di…

This is basically it, with the addition that Finland is no lomger in control of its own money. From the war up until adopting the Euro, Finland would devalue its currency a little over once a decade to keep commodity exports going. The EMU is a mechanism effectively set up to extract wealth from the european periphery, for the benefit of Germany (and maybe to a lesser extent Framce). Finland is very much on the losin…

I don't understand this putting the blame on the EMU. The demise of Nokia has nothing to do with it. Finland getting de-industrialized also has nothing do do with it, but with the openness of the European market which brought us incredibly cheap commodities at the expense of our own industry. Even Germany is struggling.

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Post by Freedom2 »

amrocha wrote: post #531
Freedom2 wrote: post #439

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Any reason why not? I'm genuinely curious about your previous comment.

I'm not the parent commenter, but no you can't bribe people in Taiwan or Japan. If I told you the only way to deal with the Canadian government is bribes, would you believe me? Then why do you believe it when talking about equally advanced countries?

My apologies, looks like I need to level up my reading comprehension. I think I am still confused with smabie's authorative sounding comment, then. Why would he say that you can just pay a bribe?

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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Post by bzzzt »

biztos wrote: post #790
kome wrote: post #779

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In Hungarian courts a contract that you cannot read is invalid, or at least, highly contestable in court. So translations are needed. I guess it must be the same in many other jurisdictions.

I can confirm this, when dealing with a Hungarian court I was asked repeatedly whether I understood what was going on and what exactly I was agreeing to. I did, but it was good of them to check.

Of course, otherwise you might end up with a hovercraft full of eels ;)

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Post by lifestyleguru »

screye wrote: post #869
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IT in general is stuck in blind valley and doesn't make anything easier anymore with its aggressive outsourcing and profit extraction. The only systems which go quickly and efficiently are those against the interests of an average citizen - e.g. the covid certification apps determining and limiting basic citizen rights. Oftentimes I prefer to show up in person with ID and fetch a printout with confirmation, than to i…

Aggressive outsourcing is hilariously out of touch. Western consultancies win contracts to build IT systems. The project is outsourced to India for low cost. Indian outsourcing team hires the cheapest talent possible. Cheap talent provides cheap quality. Website is bloated and slow. Some person on the internet uses these systems, hates it and develops a strong negative bias for all Indian (replace with any 3rd world…

There is massive corruption and lobbying in the decision chain. I cannot imagine responding positive, without any incentive, to a proposal "Shall we outsource this stuff to Bengaluru?". Anyway this applies mostly to corporate EU, profit extraction in public sector in many EU countries means rather hiring local software house with local students on some non-permanent volatile contracts.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #183
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From what I heard the cut the public funding for Digitalization by 90% last year. It truly is like going into a a -20yr time machine living here. Soon you'll be able to use a credit card in most shops even!

> From what I heard the cut the public funding for Digitalization by 90% last year. This is basically wrong. They moved the budgets to different departments, where it made more sense. And it actually does move on..slowly. It's basically a living example of too many technical debts and the pains of federalism gone wrong. > Soon you'll be able to use a credit card in most shops even! Real credit cards are very uncommon…

> Debit cards on the other hand are working well everywhere

Not yet. There still exist plenty of cash-only places. In my neighborhood (P-Berg, Berlin) both nearest restaurant and nearest coffee shop are cash-only.

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Post by burnte »

SeanLuke wrote: post #735

For those of you griping about German bureaucracy I urge you to come to Italy to learn just how good you have it. My wife is Italian and wanted to get married in her small home town. In order for her to get married to an American in her home town required paperwork that bordered on the Kafkaesque. We had to show up at the Italian embassy in Washington DC (fortunately we live there!) with proof and witnesses that I wa…

This is why people increasingly get married privately and then have a non-legal ceremony later however they want, to avoid government garbage like this.

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Post by moooo99 »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #227
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Considering these bureacratic organizations are made up of people, most of them German, could you actually conclude that? :-)

Quite many German people hate the bureacracy similarly. But most of them feel powerless to change anything. EDIT: But to give more evidence for my claim: violent attacks against government clerks are more and more increasing. I will just post two articles (in German), but it is easy to find many such articles: > https://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-main/attacken-auf-amtstrae... > https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/baden-wuer…

I know that many people love to hate on bureacracy, but I don't think people actually hate that.

I know this sound stupid, but here's the reality: for the most part, those regulations aren't in place because people love bureacracy. They are there to enforce laws and implement measures that the people demand. They don't directly demand them, but whenever the government announces anything, people complain. They either complain that somebody is getting something they feel like they don't deserve, or they complain that they aren't getting something.

And because Germans love Bürgerbegehren and suing almost as much as they love complaining, everything has to be checked three times before anybody gets anything.

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Post by londons_explore »

psychlops wrote: post #878
londons_explore wrote: post #847

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because the bureaucracy also cares that the contract is valid. There are probably all kinds of tricks you could pull by being married for a bit, then declaring the marriage false all along, but not going through the official divorce process.

A contract is between parties. The governments role is to arbitrate in the case of disputes not to help craft the original document and ensure understanding.

Not in the case of this contract, because it also enables the parties to, for example, become eligible for government incentives to be married.

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Post by Log_out_ »

andrepd wrote: post #874
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I lived this as an Italian trying to do the same for an American wife. I had already steeled myself for the experience but it was still mind-numbing, until the appearance of one glorious stroke of luck. The official in our consulate had incurred some minor peccadillo in the filling out of a form - their stamp was in the wrong part of the document, and because of that, their counterpart in Roma had officiously refused…

Just consult a report like this one https://www.transparency.org/en/gcb detailing the percentage of people who said they had to pull favours / personal connections to access public services... You can only begin to imagine how incredibly damaging it is to everything, from economic efficiency to the perpetuation of the culture of caciquism.

That inefficiency is how a open hand looks like

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Post by bratwurst3000 »

ben_w wrote: post #803
constantcrying wrote: post #769

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The data is published in English as well. https://www.destatis.de/EN/Home/_node.html >For example, someone I used to know in the UK said much the same about his taxes paying for schools, just because he personally didn't have kids. This isn't what I said. If I pay half of my wages to the state I would expect them to manage to staff government offices. Maybe besides defense, basic administration has to be the most imp…

> The data is published in English as well. https://www.destatis.de/EN/Home/_node.html Dankeschön. If I'm reading this right (I may not be, see previous comment: I am not an economist), half of the revenue is spend on social security: https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Government/Public-Finance/... This is weirdly out of date, I don't know why the link was to a URL from 2013 whose content is about 2017, but it says fo…

Social security is also the budget to allocate the money. It’s ridiculous expensive in Germany. For example. 3 billion is spent on jobless people… half of that goes to burocracy.
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