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Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Re: Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Post by soco »

n8henrie wrote: post #8
Ozzie_osman wrote: post #3

The antibiotic link is really alarming. Growing up in a country where antibiotics are basically prescribed for any illness, my mom refused to administer it to us unless there was an emergency. Clearly she had some foresight. I find it a tough choice for my own kids. For example, if they have an ear infection, you could try waiting it out, and sometimes they can get better on their own, but it's riskier and might be l…

You should also keep in mind that the "diagnosis" of an ear infection is often half assed / made up, mostly because it's much easier to prescribe an antibiotic (which satisfies most frustrated parents) than stop your busy clinic / urgent care / ED to explain why antibiotics aren't indicated (and then deal with the fallout of a complaint or negative review). In contrast, it's pretty difficult to prove that an ear infe…

There's no such thing as reviews in the place I've been growing up, where you'd get antibiotics for basically a sneeze, and can even buy them yourself in the pharmacy (weekends, because your doctor won't be around). But reactions or not, bugs will definitely build a resistance over time, which won't be a problem if you stay lucky.

Re: Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Post by hgomersall »

eterps wrote: post #67
ephextom wrote: post #52

I've probably gone as far down the rabbit hole researching this topic as any lay person can, after running into some pretty major "not living up to my potential" issues in my 20s (I was assessed as not diagnosable as ADHD or ASD by a psychiatrist, but I still seemed to be affected by at least some of the symptoms related to those conditions). I've been as willing as anybody to believe theories (long commonplace among…

> and other environmental toxins (PFAS and other endocrine disruptors [1]) matter – but they can be detoxified over time via some fairly safe and non-invasive techniques. What techniques are you referring to?

Not sure if it counts as non invasive, but I've read research suggesting donating blood lowers pfas levels reliably (not too mention other potential benefits that are not particularly well validated).

Re: Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Post by darkclouds »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #3

The antibiotic link is really alarming. Growing up in a country where antibiotics are basically prescribed for any illness, my mom refused to administer it to us unless there was an emergency. Clearly she had some foresight. I find it a tough choice for my own kids. For example, if they have an ear infection, you could try waiting it out, and sometimes they can get better on their own, but it's riskier and might be l…

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Re: Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Post by pcdoodle »

ephextom wrote: post #52

I've probably gone as far down the rabbit hole researching this topic as any lay person can, after running into some pretty major "not living up to my potential" issues in my 20s (I was assessed as not diagnosable as ADHD or ASD by a psychiatrist, but I still seemed to be affected by at least some of the symptoms related to those conditions). I've been as willing as anybody to believe theories (long commonplace among…

Thanks for sharing your journey and insightful thought procs on the matter. Refreshing to find comments like these in the noise that is HN.

Re: Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Post by pfisch »

andxor_ wrote: post #62
pfisch wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that. I think banks have probably paid more, and I don't think it is even close. https://www.enzuzo.com/blog/biggest-compliance-fines Pharma is a massive sector of the economy though, partially because it has delivered so many miracles. Of course there are bad actors in such a large part of the economy, but the idea that there is some better alternative we should turn to is not supported by any evidence at al…

> American pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc. and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. (hereinafter together "Pfizer") have agreed to pay $2.3 billion, the largest health care fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice, to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products, the Justice Department announced today. https://www.justice.gov…

You could find similar judgements in any large area of the economy. You, me and everyone else buys from companies without a full due diligence of what they selling on a nearly daily basis.

We all buy gas, food, paper products and basically everything from conglomerate companies that have done horrible, criminal things. That is just how the world works.

Re: Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Post by red-iron-pine »

hgomersall wrote: post #72
eterps wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and other environmental toxins (PFAS and other endocrine disruptors [1]) matter – but they can be detoxified over time via some fairly safe and non-invasive techniques. What techniques are you referring to?

Not sure if it counts as non invasive, but I've read research suggesting donating blood lowers pfas levels reliably (not too mention other potential benefits that are not particularly well validated).

is that really a solution? you're just giving someone else the PFAS. fixes you temporarily, fucks up someone else

Re: Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Post by ancientworldnow »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #76
hgomersall wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if it counts as non invasive, but I've read research suggesting donating blood lowers pfas levels reliably (not too mention other potential benefits that are not particularly well validated).

is that really a solution? you're just giving someone else the PFAS. fixes you temporarily, fucks up someone else

If someone needs blood transfusions they have larger concerns than PFAS (that's likely at a similar baseline anyway).

Re: Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Post by NotGMan »

pfisch wrote: post #27
dallbee wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've found this difficult as well, my mother always jumped right to antibiotics and it had some pretty clear long term consequences. My approach with my kids has been to use antibiotics only if there's no progression (better or worse). I figure as long as it appears the immune system is doing its job, that's enough for most cases. So far, we've given our 3-year antibiotics on two occasions. Once for an ear infection…

> I've found this difficult as well, my mother always jumped right to antibiotics and it had some pretty clear long term consequences. How could this possibly be true that there were clear long term consequences? How could you reasonably know if there were long term consequences from antibiotic use? Which antibiotics cause what and how do you know they are the cause?

How do you know it wasn't the antibiotics?

You can find many people online whose health (gut most often) got destroyed after a round of antibiotics.

You obviously won't see this in studies, look for individuals: many such cases.

Re: Infant microbes and metabolites point to childhood neurodevelopmental disorders

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Post by ephextom »

eterps wrote: post #67
ephextom wrote: post #52

I've probably gone as far down the rabbit hole researching this topic as any lay person can, after running into some pretty major "not living up to my potential" issues in my 20s (I was assessed as not diagnosable as ADHD or ASD by a psychiatrist, but I still seemed to be affected by at least some of the symptoms related to those conditions). I've been as willing as anybody to believe theories (long commonplace among…

> and other environmental toxins (PFAS and other endocrine disruptors [1]) matter – but they can be detoxified over time via some fairly safe and non-invasive techniques. What techniques are you referring to?

The safest I know of are infrared saunas (red bulb/near infrared is best), and breathing exercises, as well as overall good nutrition and emotional healing to support the body's natural detox pathways.

Clinical practices like intravenous chelation (ETDA etc) or supplements like spirulina, ALA, NAC, vitamin C, cilantro etc are popular and seem appealing from the promises made in their marketing, but they are often ineffective at removing the most deeply-stored toxins, and can do more harm than good by moving some toxins around the body to places where they can do more damage.

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