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Re: Southwest Boeing 737-800 flight from Denver loses engine cover

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Post by constantcrying »

madaxe_again wrote: post #15
KingOfCoders wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know if the parts the flew away, are build by the engine manufacturer, are build by the engine manufacturer and attached/assembled by Boeing or are those coverings build and attached by Boeing (because every attachment for every plane is different, even for the same engine?)

It isn’t relevant - the final assembler is responsible for QC. If I build something, and I buy something from a third party to be part of it, I make sure that A) it isn’t defective B) it integrates robustly You can wave your hand at the supply chain all you want, but if you’re sticking your name on it, it’s yours.

>You can wave your hand at the supply chain all you want, but if you’re sticking your name on it, it’s yours.

Definitely not true for airplane engines.

Re: Southwest Boeing 737-800 flight from Denver loses engine cover

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Post by kalleboo »

ffgjgf1 wrote: post #33
madaxe_again wrote: post #9

Maybe they should do some more stock buybacks and then ask the fed for a bailout. Boeing are a welfare company - they would not exist without their close relationship with the government and the taxpayer dollars that are funnelled to them. Competent competition would eat them alive, if competition were permissible in the land of the free (for some, not for you) markets.

There are plenty of Airbus planes in the US. Nobody is directly prohibiting competition it’s just that no private company could ever catch up without massive a amount of government funding.

Boeing has absolutely been prohibiting competition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Bo...

Re: Southwest Boeing 737-800 flight from Denver loses engine cover

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Post by cm2187 »

paganel wrote: post #35
fen4o wrote: post #26

As much as I would like to dogpile on Boeing right now, that particular airplane has been in operation since 2015. This would likely be Southwest maintenance issues rather than Boeing.

I think that by now most of the people have started putting the blame on the US aviation and air-transportation industry as a whole, it's not just Boeing anymore. That includes the FTC, the carriers, yes, Boeing, and a ton of other sub-contractors. It's systemic by this point, and I feel that it's not only the fault of those "pesky MBAs running Boeing" anymore.

Things breaking on planes somewhere in the world happen multiple times a day (you can see a sort of log on https://avherald.com/).

On top of not necessarily being the manufacturer’s fault, I don’t know that these events happen more often than usual.

Re: Southwest Boeing 737-800 flight from Denver loses engine cover

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Post by red_admiral »

SSchick wrote: post #21

This is most certainly a maintenance issue, not a production issue since this a part that is often temporarily removed. Not trying to defend boeing but please be aware that these incidents are somewhat common and are currently being disproportionally reported due their relevance of past events.

For all we know, it could also have been a bird strike.

Re: Southwest Boeing 737-800 flight from Denver loses engine cover

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Post by KingOfCoders »

cschmatzler wrote: post #30
ffgjgf1 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a brand new airplane or caused by some design flaw? Because if not everyone should probably be blaming the airline/maintenance company. Certainly not downplaying Boeing’s massive screwups but it just seems that every single incident that everyone just used ignore in past is now an international news story (but only if a Boeing plane is involved)

Neither. It’s an error by whoever last did maintenance on the engine and didn’t latch the door properly, and the pilot doing the walk around missing that error. Not a Boeing issue whatsoever.

Except e.g. a bolt broke. And the bolt was either build by the engine manufacturer, by Boeing or installed during maintenance by the airline (or outsourcer).

Re: Southwest Boeing 737-800 flight from Denver loses engine cover

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Post by filleduchaos »

s_dev wrote: post #17
cschmatzler wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not related to Boeing at all. Engine covers not being closed properly is a relatively common (still rare in the grand scheme of things) incident and happens a lot more frequently on Airbus models to the point that Airbus modified the door latch.

This incident isn't related to Boeing .. at all ... but when Airbus do it (which you assure it happens more frequently) it's related to whom exactly, and why did Airbus fix it if it wasn't related to them (modified the door latch)?

Worth noting that only a few weeks ago an Airbus A330 had a very similar engine-panel-coming-off issue, which I'm 99.9% sure you hadn't heard about at all until I pointed it out to you - unlike this incident, which will have hundreds of articles and blog posts written about it.

I'd like everyone here to consider just how much they are letting [social] media do their thinking for them.

(The incident I'm referring to: https://avherald.com/h?article=5169614a&opt=0)

Re: Southwest Boeing 737-800 flight from Denver loses engine cover

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Post by [deleted] »

chinathrow wrote: post #19
madaxe_again wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t relevant - the final assembler is responsible for QC. If I build something, and I buy something from a third party to be part of it, I make sure that A) it isn’t defective B) it integrates robustly You can wave your hand at the supply chain all you want, but if you’re sticking your name on it, it’s yours.

The plane was built in 2015. This is not about building the engine doors, it's about who did not close them properly during last maintenance.

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Re: Southwest Boeing 737-800 flight from Denver loses engine cover

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Post by KingOfCoders »

(2019) "On October 14, Southwest Airlines (SWA) flew an empty aircraft to San Salvador at El Salvador International Airport in order to accomplish a heavy maintenance check on that aircraft. A heavy maintenance check is the most labor-intensive check performed on an aircraft during its flying life."

https://amfanational.medium.com/southwest-airlines-begins-fo...

"Today, Southwest Airlines outsources 80 percent of all aircraft maintenance. You read that correctly [...] He said United Airlines outsources 51 percent of maintenance, Alaska Airlines farms out 49 percent, Delta hires vendors for 43 percent, and American Airlines contracts out 33 percent."

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/local-companies/2019/02/...

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