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How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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As far as I know, it's par for the course for immigration in most countries I ever heard of. On the other hand, anyone who heard of consistently nice immigration procedure for normal people (not Messi) should chime in. From a incentive strucutre POV, they lose nothing from false positives (denying entry to someone who would have been fine) as candidates will probably try again anyway, and no one will come after them…

Other countries that see immigration as an opportunity have systems that are far far superior to that of Germany. In Germany it's often not clear what status a process is in and no way to get updates. There often is no web portal or anything like that, it's nuts. For instance you submit an application for the retention of your German passport and then basically wait 2+ years for the answer to come back. No one answer…

>Other countries that see immigration as an opportunity have systems that are far far superior to that of Germany.

Do you have any examples for this? Genuinely curious.

From where I stand most EU countries right now are talking steps backwards on this as they've become overloaded with migration waves, housing shortages, stagnating wages, which increased the far right support, so the hot topic now is how to discourage ALL immigration, not how to make life better and easier for SOME immigrants to attract them.

Sure, you obviously want to encourage the useful skilled immigration, but like I said, from where I stand it seems countries don't distinguish and are trying to make life hell for all immigrants just to plase the right wing voters since those would be frothing at the mouth if they heard their government is rolling out the red carped to attract SOME immigrants, so then for simplicity the political issue is binary, IMMIGRANTS or NO IMMIGRANTS.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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As someone that became a permanent resident and later a citizen of Canada, the process was relatively painless compared to what I read for other countries, and could be tracked along its different steps using a web UI.

Denmark is the same. The official website says the wait time for permanent residency is "up to 10 months", and searching Reddit suggests 3-6 months is more normal. Denmark is not particularly welcoming to immigrants, but they do with rules rather than inefficient paperwork.

Hell no. I applied for citizenship over a year ago now and no communication has been made with me. I'm also not sure where this "up to 10 months" is coming from because when I applied (and recently checked) it says "over 2 years". On top of that I'm not sure what reddit you're looking at, but the ones I'm looking at are constantly complaining about how long the process is taking - how they expected it in 2022 and are still waiting in 2024.

Also this "web ui" is so bad and difficult to work with. I lost all the data I input at least twice, also the forms do no seem up to date with the requirements (requirements on newindenmark are different from what is presented on the form).

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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Note that I am a German. I would say there are few. Bad education, especially in schools, a broken railway and public transport system, as well as incredibly high taxes. You may say "free healthcare" and a point can be made here, but when you take a look at the high taxes you have to pay, it's not worth it, if your income is above average. All in all it's a mess and I haven't even begun speaking about German people a…

Incredibly high taxes? Denmark has higher taxes. And don't forget Germany has one of the lowest annual working hours in the world https://data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm

Mmmhh... I don't think the OECD data is not working comparing countries:

"The data are published with the following health warning: The data are intended for comparisons of trends over time; they are unsuitable for comparisons of the level of average annual hours of work for a given year, because of differences in their sources and method of calculation."

Yes, in Germany are many part-time workers but overall mostly they are not working 6 hours the day . Normal is - afaik - 8 hours per day on approx. 220 days in a year.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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i could not find the most important question while skim reading: does it have to be germany. i would rather sit in boiling water than found a company there again. you don't always have to move away completely to have a non germany company though i can also recommend that final step.

Bingo. I live in Berlin. I know loads of folks who found Delaware corporations, use deel.com to work for them, and eventually found a GmbH when they need to.

Germany has CFC & management and control rules. Those LLCs are treated as german companies in the eyes of the Finanszamt if their UBO (Ultimate Beneficiary Owner) has a german tax residency and is managing the company from germany.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you but essentially they're all committing tax fraud.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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My family and I are Irish citizens and while the Netherlands has been good to us, it is surprising to me that when we go to the hospital you have to check in with a specifically Dutch ID. In the name of the person with the appointment. That seems OK since I have a Dutch driver's licence, but my 4 year old daughter does not, and they seemed to have no idea what to do with her. Usually we figure it out but there's not…

Wow. I’ve never had to show ID at Dutch hospitals or clinics. My GP does the referral (!!! great GP!!!) or I turn up at A&E and the (medical) intake has begun. I speak Dutch though, maybe that makes a difference? Edit:spelling and clarification on intake

In many (?) hospitals, you need to take your ticket somehow when you enter. You can sometimes do this with the letter or email you got, but you can also scan a (Dutch) ID. See 'aanmeldzuil': https://www.zuyderland.nl/ziekenhuis/afspraken/aanmelden/

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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I am familiar with both German and Finnish bureaucracy. German bureaucracy is (in)famous for paperwork and using faxes. Citizens/residents have no unique identifier (more and more weakened recently) and need to present documentation for everything. If you have no paper birth certificate you are not born... Finland has had much higher digitalization for decades. You have a person number and authorities store everythin…

The degradation comes from waves of austerity politics by right wing governments. These services are expensive and require staff to keep things going. Austerity ideology dictates that there simply must be inefficiency in public services, and cuts are the cure to this disease since this will cause the public sector to "make do and mend" and end up running more efficiently, rather than having a knock on effect and decr…

If the German government did "austerity" they wouldn't need half my wage to spend on literal nonsense. Look at the budget over the last decades, as if there wasn't enough money...

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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As of my last update in January 2022, I cannot access or retrieve specific articles or content from external sources like eidel.io. However, I can provide you with a general outline of the steps typically involved in founding a company in Germany based on common procedures. Here's a simplified guide:

1. *Choose Your Business Structure*: Decide whether you want to establish a sole proprietorship (Einzelunternehmen), a partnership (Gesellschaft bürgerlichen Rechts - GbR), a limited liability company (Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung - GmbH), or another legal form.

2. *Business Name*: Choose a unique business name and check its availability. You can do this through the German commercial register (Handelsregister).

3. *Articles of Association (Gesellschaftsvertrag)*: Draft and notarize the articles of association if you're forming a company with others.

4. *Capital Contributions*: Determine the initial capital required for your business structure. For example, a GmbH requires a minimum share capital of €25,000.

5. *Register Business*: Register your business with the local trade office (Gewerbeamt) if it's a sole proprietorship or partnership. If you're forming a GmbH, you'll need to notarize the articles of association and register the company with the local commercial register (Handelsregister).

6. *Taxation Registration*: Register your business for tax purposes at the local tax office (Finanzamt).

7. *Obtain Necessary Permits and Licenses*: Depending on your business activities, you might need specific permits or licenses. Check with the relevant authorities.

8. *Social Security*: If you plan to employ people, you'll need to register with social security agencies.

9. *Employment Contracts*: Draft employment contracts if you're hiring employees.

10. *Open Business Bank Account*: Open a business bank account to manage your finances.

11. *Insurance*: Consider necessary insurances such as liability insurance, health insurance, etc.

12. *Data Protection Compliance*: Ensure compliance with data protection regulations, especially if you're handling personal data.

13. *Employer Obligations*: Understand and fulfill your obligations as an employer regarding taxes, social security contributions, etc.

14. *Ongoing Compliance*: Stay compliant with ongoing obligations such as filing annual reports, tax returns, etc.

Remember, these steps may vary depending on the type of business you're starting and your specific circumstances. It's advisable to consult with legal and financial professionals to ensure compliance with all legal requirements.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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I document German bureaucracy for a living,[0] and everything is like that. Every life event - immigrating, getting a job, getting married, having a child, buying a car - is mired in slow, paper-based bureaucracy. It is a constant, significant impediment to life in the country. Just last week, I was telling people that the best way to get married in Germany is to get married in Denmark. I cannot overstate how terribl…

Just wanted to say thanks for your awesome work! allaboutberlin.com was a massive help when I moved here—and continues to be, whenever a new paperwork hurdle presents itself :). You’re doing great work!

Truly, it's one of the best and clearly laid out resources out there. I've found a lot of online resources around Berlin life to be frankly hostile (e.g. r/berlin ) to people seeking information on how to approach things like appointments and complying with state regulations.

allaboutberlin.com seems to be comparatively devoid of frustration and objectively lays out the situation + steps to be taken in each situation.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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My biggest gripes, summed up: - The requirements are arbitrary, undocumented, and largely depend on how the case worker feels on a given day. Common wisdom is to bring far more documents than asked for, just in case. - Everything is paper-based. You are expected to act as a transport layer between offices that won't talk to each other. Everything is mailed, because digital communications are distrusted and digitalisa…

Oh for sure it could be much better in Germany, and I hope that rapidly becomes the case. Definitely digitization needs to come faster. My complaint is simply people imagining it is perfect elsewhere. Really that is not the case, no where is perfect. All the people chiming in about the US being so easy, yes, wonderful. Now let's talk about healthcare and how your health insurance is tied to your employer. Everyone wh…

> Everyone who is extolling how simple the UK is, that's lovely. What a shame about brexit though.

A part of the argument for Brexit was to enable simplifications of bureaucracy (obviously not for the specific case of someone in the EU migrating there, but for everything else). So that's not necessarily a great argument.

It hasn't been capitalized on to any great extent yet because the current government is weak and spent most of the time distracted by COVID. But the potential for simplification is actually there now, whereas previously it was often blocked by EU law.

Re: How to found a company in Germany: 14 "easy" steps and lots of pain

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Japan immigration (if you have a college degree) seems to be pretty high up there. PR takes a while, and processing is a bit of a black hole, but generally speaking you apply, application extends your visa a bit, and they get back to you within the period. And it’s maybe $100? People complain but its generally predictable save for applications for a 3 year visa can lead to a 1 year visa or a 3 year visa or a 5 year v…

Isn't Japan the industrialized nation with the lowest fraction of foreigners?

There are other reasons for that. Application is cheap and relatively fast(~3 months in my case).
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