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Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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Re: Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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post #14

Boeing, once a symbol of American prestige and hegemony has fallen. Greed, hatred, delusion has poisoned the American psyche and its manifesting across all walks of life. Boeing is just one of the many examples. This is the end of the American era.

It is not the end because it is still getting only worse.

Re: Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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post #16

Because Boeing is so important to national security, everyone involved in leading this from the CEO to the board of directors should be treated as traitors and have all their assets seized and spend the rest of their life in a maximum security federal prison.

This is what happens when monopolies are allowed to exist. In a competitive market if the CEO gives away market share to rivals due to reckless indifference to safety and becomes a liability, they will be fired or the company gets spun off to fend for themselves. When we as a society allow a monopoly to exist, then government assumes responsibility for whatever that monopoly does with its power. Government interventi…

Airplane manufacturing sounds like a natural monopoly.

Re: Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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post #4

How is this putting wall st first when they have tanked their rep and stock price

Earning estimates are manipulated to dangle a carrot for the executives to act on short term signals for short term outcomes with zero regard for long term consequences. Short term investors love it, moving from stock to stock, like locusts, using up the resources like mobsters that takeover a business to create financial leverage to take over more businesses.

It's this irrational and unapologetic greed that Americans like to accuse other cultures of but guilty of themselves.

Re: Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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post #8

Because Boeing is so important to national security, everyone involved in leading this from the CEO to the board of directors should be treated as traitors and have all their assets seized and spend the rest of their life in a maximum security federal prison.

You believe it's so traitorous to try to cut costs that it should result in life in prison for all members of the board and CEO? And why maximum security, do you believe they are going to be tunneling out with spoons?

> And why maximum security, do you believe they are going to be tunneling out with spoons?

Boeing makes military hardware that plenty of people would (literally) kill to get their hands on even just the plans for.

Re: Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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post #4

How is this putting wall st first when they have tanked their rep and stock price

Agency conflict of interest. It's like Enron executives. They put society third, Wall Street second, and themselves first. That's the default alignment of incentives in our capitalist system by the way. Good governance and good regulations can try to align all those things but often falls short.

Re: Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what happens when monopolies are allowed to exist. In a competitive market if the CEO gives away market share to rivals due to reckless indifference to safety and becomes a liability, they will be fired or the company gets spun off to fend for themselves. When we as a society allow a monopoly to exist, then government assumes responsibility for whatever that monopoly does with its power. Government interventi…

Airplane manufacturing sounds like a natural monopoly.

It wasn’t for a long time. It sort of is now.

The question is if, with new tech, we might be able to undo that?

Re: Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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Because Boeing is so important to national security, everyone involved in leading this from the CEO to the board of directors should be treated as traitors and have all their assets seized and spend the rest of their life in a maximum security federal prison.

If it's really that important it should be government-owned, like Airbus. You can't give random people free reign and then punish them if you retroactively didn't like it.

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Re: Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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post #9
post #4

How is this putting wall st first when they have tanked their rep and stock price

On a short term view. The problem is that keeping investors happy, it is keeping investors with a short term outlook happy. If anything more than two years is too long term to care about, then the best strategy is to take risks and hope it does not catch up with you before then.

Amazon succeeded in large part because they ignored the complaints of short term investors for years. So while I think that the widespread short term outlook is definitely an issue, it is a choice of boards and CEOs. Ultimately if the company tanks on being blind to long term risks - short term investors will be the fastest to leave the stock.

Re: Boeing put Wall Street first, safety second ahead of Alaska Air blowout

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post #14

Boeing, once a symbol of American prestige and hegemony has fallen. Greed, hatred, delusion has poisoned the American psyche and its manifesting across all walks of life. Boeing is just one of the many examples. This is the end of the American era.

What comes next is a choice we will all collectively make. We can use these growing scandals as warnings and take corrective steps. We can take seriously the worsening trends and reorient our life’s work toward finding solutions for the next generation.

The next chapter has not been written, and the current state of worsening points directly at the reality that things can indeed be better.

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