This might help people when looking for an alternative. https://wheretohostmy.app/?tech=%5B%22postgresql%22%5D It's a side project I'm currently building so hearing some feedback is highly appreciated.
You're missing Scaleway as a provider I think.
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Absolutely. I’ve been a customer for many years and it’s always been a pleasure to interact with such a simple, transparent and “to the point” UI. The fact that they are a tiny team also bumps it up the list for me.
well, they shut this down probably because they cannot afford to keep a product that bring little revenue. I never heard of AWS retiring a product (I am excluding ancient stuff like VPC classic and SimpleDB, both had an upgrade path to something superior)
I assume AWS fully automates their stuff so the maintenance is ~0 outside their normal datacenter and SRE stuff which amortizes the total cost to ~0, so why retire a service? Just stop development.
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There's quite a few places around. Also Ubicloud look interesting, though I've not personally used them: https://www.ubicloud.com/use-cases/postgresql
Primary architect of Ubicloud PostgreSQL here. Thanks a lot for shout out! I'd be happy to answer if anyone has any questions about our managed service.
Is there any plans to offer your manager service at Digital Ocean / Vultr in the US?
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well, they shut this down probably because they cannot afford to keep a product that bring little revenue. I never heard of AWS retiring a product (I am excluding ancient stuff like VPC classic and SimpleDB, both had an upgrade path to something superior)
I assume AWS fully automates their stuff so the maintenance is ~0 outside their normal datacenter and SRE stuff which amortizes the total cost to ~0, so why retire a service? Just stop development.
There’s no such thing as zero cost to development teams. Who patches the security vulnerabilities? Who answers esoteric customer questions for customers with premium support contracts?
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Isn't this just the typical case of changing DB hosts? You set up replication to new location and migrate apps to new location?
From what the migration doc says, it will only support pgdump migration. Meaning it will require downtime, or at least write downtime. Create backup using pgdump, restore the dump to new database. While making sure no changes to the old db before switch over.
The ability to replicate from a database service is an extremely important consideration when picking any DBaaS. If you cannot do a no-downtime migration out of a database provider, you are needlessly locking yourself into a vendor.
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#36Owned by RDS?
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Isn't this just the typical case of changing DB hosts? You set up replication to new location and migrate apps to new location?
From what the migration doc says, it will only support pgdump migration. Meaning it will require downtime, or at least write downtime. Create backup using pgdump, restore the dump to new database. While making sure no changes to the old db before switch over.
Ouch that will make migrating anything over a few hundred gigs almost impossible. Our postgres db is about 2TB and pgdump stopped being viable a long time ago.
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#39This makes sense, but also not surprised. In today's world there are countless Postgres providers (Supabase, RDS, DigitalOcean, GCP, Azure, etc) so there is plenty of choice now. Although I don't see why anyone would choose niche providers today other than the cloud provided ones like RDS now.
I had good experience with Aiven in the past, we needed something located in the EU: https://aiven.io/
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#40We've been a customer for long for some of out applications. It's a shame but I get their reasoning. The hosted postgresql market is getting crowded and it is difficult for a small shop to stand out.
I'm wondering why are they completely cutting off their hosted DB services instead of scaling it down. Is this something that's so time-consuming to provide at scale? I'm also questioning their decision to put all their chips on message brokers. Don't those services require fast and reliable access that is only possible if they are provided as support services running within the same network? They seem to be the kind…
> Is this something that's so time-consuming to provide at scale?
I suspect it's not time but money—they host the service on various cloud providers in various data centers so that latency is low. In order to pull that off economically they have to be doing some tricks that are only possible at scale, and if they're seeing a lot of natural attrition those techniques will stop working, and they'll probably end up footing an AWS/GCP/Azure bill that won't leave any margin left for the other expenses.