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Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
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Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
#12This is total garbage lol. You can absolutely watch cars move out of the way when motorcycles with loud pipes come through... Its amazing to experience on your own as well.
Move? I'm staying in my lane. And I can't hear them if they're behind me.
Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
#13If motorcycles require loud pipes to be safe, they should probably be banned altogether - but I don't really think it is necessary to have loud pipes.
A really good pollution tax would cover noise pollution. It never seems to get enforced
Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
#14If they really did save lives, you would think the highway patrol officers who rely on their bikes for their safety and entire professional existence would be equipped with them. No, this is just obnoxious leisure bikers wanting to justify their unnecessary noise they inflict on the rest of us.
Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
#15This is total garbage lol. You can absolutely watch cars move out of the way when motorcycles with loud pipes come through... Its amazing to experience on your own as well.
IME the Doppler effect makes it hard to hear on approach, and then loud after they've passed.
I don't think it's even that, it's just that most of the noise points backwards. So I can only hear them when they're in plain sight
Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
#16If motorcycles require loud pipes to be safe, they should probably be banned altogether - but I don't really think it is necessary to have loud pipes.
So how will they make loud electric motorcycles? As surely we will have to mandate those as well for the green future... What sort of alarm sound they will be mandated to make?
Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bikes are perfectly safe. It's car drivers who aren't.
most motorcycle accidents involve only the motorcycle and no other vehicle and motorcycles have a considerably higher rate of fatal crashes due to things like hitting fixed barriers.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/book/countermeasures-that-work/motorcy...
Here is some data from USA, I've not read it.
Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
#18Flawed premise in their research. They’re saying you can only hear motorcycles within 33ft, which is too late to react anyhow.
The times when I’ve intentionally revved my engine to get attention, it’s because a driver was about to merge into me, and they were very close. In heavy traffic I’m often feathering the clutch, and pulling it in quickly to rev is an easier reach than hitting my horn.
Anecdotally, when I switched from a small somewhat quiet bike to a full size cruiser I had WAY fewer sketchy interactions with drivers. They noticed me much better, which kept me safer. I also find loud pipes annoying, but not as annoying as people in cars killing others with the inattention.
Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
#19If motorcycles require loud pipes to be safe, they should probably be banned altogether - but I don't really think it is necessary to have loud pipes.
That's one, very narrow way of viewing it. Another would be that cars lack the necessary visibility to be safe. No one in their right mind would advocate to banning cars. Instead, sensors could be employed to make up for the lack of visibility in cars. This should maybe be the topic of discussion, to introduce these types of safety sensors as essential. ABS breaks weren't the norm a few decades ago, so why not start discussing making these safety sensors standard? One point of discussion could be what types of sensors there are, which vehicles they are employed and if they are effective.
Re: Do loud pipes save lives? (2021)
#20This is total garbage lol. You can absolutely watch cars move out of the way when motorcycles with loud pipes come through... Its amazing to experience on your own as well.
You realise you're posting under a scientific study conducted by Association for the Development of Motorcycling, the Polytechnic University of Bucharest and a noise emission specialist from Netherlands In the study somebody actually tried to measure this. You need a stronger rebuttal than "this is total garbage lol". You can make your own scientific study if you believe this results are for some reason incorrect, or at least try to point out where the study made a mistake.