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Home insurers are dropping customers based on aerial images

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I'm less concerned about the spying and more concerned about insurance companies arbitrarily non-renewing policies with no recourse for the consumer. Insurance is heavily regulated for good reason, and insurance should be a source of stability instead of anxiety.

But, profits.

How else are execs going to pay for that third vacation home?

Re: Home insurers are dropping customers based on aerial images

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If you can afford to rebuild your house after a fire, there will be no point (and there never was a point). Insurance has always been a negative-EV trade for the average person, but there have been mispricings that make it positive-EV when you have more information than the insurance company. However, the inefficiency meant that you also had to pay for the uncertainty on their estimate of your risk. With less uncerta…

Plus the salaries of the sales teams and the marketing budget and the executive bonuses and fancy offices… or were you rolling all that up into “cost to assess”?

Insurance is (theoretically) a competitive market, so no, those salaries are actually not included - aside from the compensation of the people building and conducting risk assessments. I'm not convinced most insurance companies make a ton off of home insurance specifically - I have heard that healthcare coverage (which is barely an insurance product) is the big profit maker, along with car insurance.

Re: Home insurers are dropping customers based on aerial images

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally yes, because the liability for injury would be on you, as the trampoline owner. Compare the probability of a guest breaking their leg when visiting your home vs if you have an unsafe trampoline. Insurers are prepared for the small risk in the former, but have not priced in the latter risk to a standard policy.

Trampolines are obscenely high risk and injuries are very common. On top of that, if a neighborhood kid comes in to your yard and breaks their leg on your trampoline, your home owners insurance is going to be involved.

Is this something we just don't worry about in Canada? Because we only pay to park at the hospital?

Re: Home insurers are dropping customers based on aerial images

#45

I'm less concerned about the spying and more concerned about insurance companies arbitrarily non-renewing policies with no recourse for the consumer. Insurance is heavily regulated for good reason, and insurance should be a source of stability instead of anxiety.

But, profits. How else are execs going to pay for that third vacation home?

Does that third vacation home get spied on from the sky as well?

Re: Home insurers are dropping customers based on aerial images

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Insurance is a borderline scam. You have to have it by law or in case the worst happens. When the worst does happen get ready for a fight as they will do everything they can legally do to wriggle out.

You don't have to have home insurance by law, at least not in the US If you don't own your house outright, the bank that owns part of it may require insurance as a prerequisite for loaning you money.

You're right about the ultimate legal situation, but there's two problems I see with dropping insurance on a paid off home. The first is that the companies, seemingly operating in lock step, will heavily penalize you if you change your mind and want to go back to insuring. The second is the liability component, whereby simply owning a piece of real estate means you're a juicy target to be found jointly liable for a whole host of things that most people would consider unreasonable - eg someone trespasses, injures themselves, and then sues you.

I've long said that one major threat that "regular people" would suffer from the consumer surveillance industry was going to be insurance (another being fine-grained price discrimination). It looks like both are really starting to come into swing. The best time for US privacy legislation (including something analogous to the GDPR) was 20 years ago, the second best time is now.

Re: Home insurers are dropping customers based on aerial images

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post #30

Insurance is a borderline scam. You have to have it by law or in case the worst happens. When the worst does happen get ready for a fight as they will do everything they can legally do to wriggle out.

You don't have to have home insurance by law, at least not in the US If you don't own your house outright, the bank that owns part of it may require insurance as a prerequisite for loaning you money.

My uncle didn’t have insurance for a house he’d paid off. An arsonist burned it down six months later and then he proceeded to get letters from the city telling him to mow his lawn for the next ten years.

Re: Home insurers are dropping customers based on aerial images

#48

Related, my vehicle insurer keeps jacking up the rates. I've never been in an accident or had a ticket, and I drive 2000 miles per year. But every year up up up. Then they offer I install a tracking device on my car to get my rates back down to a reasonable amount. There seems to be a pattern of insurers wanting to know everything about everyone, and using irrationally higher rates to coerce consent. And I have to pa…

Car manufacturers are building telemetry into the vehicle, which they can sell directly to insurance companies. If you buy such a car, your insurer doesn't need you to install anything.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driv...

My opinion is that the opt-in hardware might have afforded you some discount, maybe. I doubt the same is true for the manufacturer-insurer relationship. I think that pattern is probably more likely to establish a higher baseline for all drivers, and the presence of data can only ever (1) maintain the baseline or (2) harm you.

Re: Home insurers are dropping customers based on aerial images

#49

I'm less concerned about the spying and more concerned about insurance companies arbitrarily non-renewing policies with no recourse for the consumer. Insurance is heavily regulated for good reason, and insurance should be a source of stability instead of anxiety.

In some states it's the heavy regulation which is causing policy non-renewals. When governments fix prices below the market rate that inevitably leads to shortages.

It's a stressful situation for many property owners. They may not realize the impact that recent high inflation has had on repair costs, especially when prices tend to spike up higher after major disasters.

Re: Home insurers are dropping customers based on aerial images

#50
post #39

I'm less concerned about the spying and more concerned about insurance companies arbitrarily non-renewing policies with no recourse for the consumer. Insurance is heavily regulated for good reason, and insurance should be a source of stability instead of anxiety.

Do you live in CA? In recent years that's the majority of arbitrary cancellations I've heard about - companies pulling entirely out of CA.

Similar reports are coming out of Florida. Generally, it seems the industry is pulling away from higher risk to climate change issues from larger storms or fire risk.
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