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Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

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Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

#31

the entire job market for tech is in a large bust cycle and the internview process is a complete shit show. until these two processes improve I don't know. I'm 49 with 25+ years of experience and haven't worked since august.

I’m not far behind with work ex since 2008. I still have my current job which pays well but I’m going to start looking around because I’m moving closer to nyc. Why’d you say the process is a shit show ? Asking to prepare that’s all.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

#32

> I visited a psychiatrist recently and was diagnosed with ADHD. Were you prescribed any medication? Just getting a diagnosis is good, and learning some tools to help you cope is great, but honestly medication has done wonders for me when I was taking it. (I'm not going to say which specific one, because I'm not a doctor, and what worked for me may not work for you.) > And job market has not been so good unless I get…

I can’t recommend this enough. The stigma around people with ADHD taking the medication that they are legally prescribed is toxic. And it’s not your fault. Watch videos by “how to ADHD” Get involved in the ADHD community. Psychiatrist should also help you provide some resources. There’s a strong psychological component to dealing with a stigma around ADHD, the self loathing. ADHD often co-morbid with anxiety and depr…

Using stimulants prescribed for ADHD to have extra pep in your step is drug abuse - just sayin. You see this a lot with adults taking stimulants for ADHD.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

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Fight yourself. Fight yourself all day as the world doesn’t revolve around you. Learn how to compensate for tote issues. Do t change up everything, but learn to communicate. Carry something to fidget with that allows your hand to move as much as needed which then allows the body to be a little bit calmer and focused. I carry a satin sash everywhere that I constantly play with. Always out of sight, but I’m playing wit…

> Fight yourself. Fight yourself all day as the world doesn’t revolve around you. As I can personally attest to, sometimes this just leads to complete burn out and mental break down rather than self-improvement. OP: Keep going to the person who diagnosed you (or a therapist who focuses on things like ADHD) if possible and absolutely look into getting medicated if you aren't. Medication isn't a silver bullet, but it's…

I agree, if taken literally and to the extreme, fight yourself is bad advice on the long-term as it can lead to burnout and eventually giving up.

It resonates with me however, not so much as battling non-stop, but more so with controlling urges and making yourself voluntarily uncomfortable in an effort to improve.

For example, many people with ADHD have an extremely hard time being bored. This leads to a constant flow of attention to things like mobile devices, TVs, etc. This also tends to deplete dopamine, which further aggravates the ADHD. By making yourself bored, you can both preserve dopamine, but also work on retraining yourself on how to handle downtime. If you are also suffering from electronic addiction, then this helps break the cycle. Jonathan heights new book. The anxious generation is absolutely a must read for people with ADHD. He goes very deep into all of this in a way that is very accessible. There are things that are aggravating my condition that I never considered and have never heard before. I'm sure it is out there as he isn't doing groundbreaking research here, but his ability to organize, filter, and articulate is incredible. I also highly recommend it if you have children.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

#34
You’ve already discovered that referrals are a great way to get work, with a side-benefit sometimes that the interviews matter less if not get used less, or if you’re lucky, not at all. If there any people from past jobs who like you and know your work, reach out to them and see if they are aware of any jobs who need someone with your skills.

Do spend a little time researching the company’s interview process. Some companies have live coding interviews and/or take-home coding and put more emphasis on those. I completely blew an interview once on databases, only to still get the offer because I aced the live coding. The live coding “interview” was me being left alone in a room for an hour to write a small text-based game after being handed the game rules.

Lots of people have different ADHD coping mechanisms and different things that help them and varied kinds of self-tricks and results. Could it help you during an interview if you thought about it as you testing them instead of them testing you? Maybe having a goal to collect information you want about the job and the people you’d work with could help with focus? Also remember that asking questions uses up interview time, can give you valuable information, and shows both curiosity and initiative. Be polite and conversational of course, but ask as many questions as you can! ;)

Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

#35

Send me your resume julien _at_ serpapi.com. We specialize in hiring people on the spectrum. All our workflows are async, remote-first, transparent-first, in a written format, and don't have a deadline unless absolutely needed. We are almost all - including myself - on the spectrum, and minimize team meetings to 1 per week, allow only 1:1s outside of that, and trust everyone to priotzit their own work outside of task…

Do you have any articles etc. about how you have put together your processss and practices?

I'd love to learn more, and adopt them when I scale my own company.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

#36

> I visited a psychiatrist recently and was diagnosed with ADHD. Were you prescribed any medication? Just getting a diagnosis is good, and learning some tools to help you cope is great, but honestly medication has done wonders for me when I was taking it. (I'm not going to say which specific one, because I'm not a doctor, and what worked for me may not work for you.) > And job market has not been so good unless I get…

> Were you prescribed any medication. Yes I'm hesitant to it because. Im worried about developinand addiction to it. If you wouldn't mind sharing some insight from your experience how is it. > What sort of shadiness are you talking about? Lying about my VISA status, experience etc.

I've been diagnosed with ADHD last year, at the age of 31, and been using methylphenidate since about then. It's not perfect, but it can be a good aid, especially in the beginning. I was afraid too, because I am prone to get addicted quite fast, but the regular appointments with my psychiatrist and a good portion of will power seem to work. I try not to take it during weekends to slow down the tolerance a bit and to learn to live without it.

Can recommend/10. And as someone else has said here in the comments. It's sad but true, the world does not resolve around "us". So keep fighting, explain yourself where it's needed and try to find your path. It's very hard though

Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

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Fight yourself. Fight yourself all day as the world doesn’t revolve around you. Learn how to compensate for tote issues. Do t change up everything, but learn to communicate. Carry something to fidget with that allows your hand to move as much as needed which then allows the body to be a little bit calmer and focused. I carry a satin sash everywhere that I constantly play with. Always out of sight, but I’m playing wit…

I tried using some fiddling stuff in past around people, it seems to annoy them. But yeah, having this diagnosis was a relief in a way, it answered the unknown to me. I'm still learning on how to cope with it, but definitely some helpful suggestions thanks.

When I do it, it’s always off camera. If I’m in person, depending who I’m around, if it’s close friends, I’ll just take it out and mess around with it. If not close friends, that’s where the fight comes in.

I had a professor once who I confessed to that I’ve read a paragraph more than 20 times and I don’t remember any of it, even after I just finished reading it. It was in a subject that didn’t interest me too much, and yeah, since I didn’t care too much about it, it was a damn fight to even sit there and get myself through that paragraph, let alone, remember it as there’s a battle going on in my head for attention.

The thing he said to me is something I’ll never forget, and that is, “when you’re going through that material that doesn’t interest you that much or at all, try and find figure out why the author of it found it so interesting. Why did the author spend their time and energy to research and publish this material? Look at it through their eyes and find their interest.” That reframing of how I go about reading has helped me more than almost anything else has.

Find ways to cope, reframe, and understand what feelings lead to what levels of inattention, anxiety, frustrations, etc…

Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

#38

the entire job market for tech is in a large bust cycle and the internview process is a complete shit show. until these two processes improve I don't know. I'm 49 with 25+ years of experience and haven't worked since august.

Hear you. 49 is also a tricky age, considered too old. I am about the same age have faced challenges finding work since covid19 layoffs.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

#39
I am not sure ADHD is such a handicap since you could make an argument that most people in the tech industry are on the autism spectrum. Only small percentage of them can communicate well with proper eye contact. Perhaps take a break and work on a job that helps you build soft skills?

Re: Ask HN: How do I find a job, in this market with ADHD

#40

> I visited a psychiatrist recently and was diagnosed with ADHD. Were you prescribed any medication? Just getting a diagnosis is good, and learning some tools to help you cope is great, but honestly medication has done wonders for me when I was taking it. (I'm not going to say which specific one, because I'm not a doctor, and what worked for me may not work for you.) > And job market has not been so good unless I get…

> Were you prescribed any medication. Yes I'm hesitant to it because. Im worried about developinand addiction to it. If you wouldn't mind sharing some insight from your experience how is it. > What sort of shadiness are you talking about? Lying about my VISA status, experience etc.

It's usually hard to develop an addiction to these meds unless abused in higher dosages than prescribed. You're more likely to struggle with remembering to take them.
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