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Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by supernes »

out-of-ideas wrote: post #97
supernes wrote: post #55

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You can move the Dock to the side of the screen and in fact many people do. What's the excuse for not copying that functionality?

this assumes the programmer knows how to change app settings; ive seen many a great programmers know quite little about the actual apps they install (or comes with) and use; dont even get me started about folks who "program" but simply just edit a file and dont use the actual app to test things (and instead rely on build-systems) - strange i must say, but it happens so much im not surprised by it, just forever sadden…

I've seen my share of horror stories, but I'm also the type of idealist that believes the people whom a $3T corporation hires to work on one of its core products would know better. It's more than likely that ultimately the decision was not in the hands of a technical (or seemingly even a computer literate) person.

Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by finaard »

probably_jesus wrote: post #120
jiggawatts wrote: post #52

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It's because the Windows 11 UI was designed by people who've never used anything other that an Apple Mac. Yes, Microsoft hires employees with zero Windows experience to design their operating system. That's why the Windows 11 taskbar has the icons centred -- because Apple OSX does too. That's why there's no way to drag the taskbar around -- because Apple OSX doesn't allow this either. Etc...

Apple and Microsoft are competing on who can make the worst UX in the desktop arena. Window management is so bad in osx and I refuse to pay for add-ons to make things slightly better when Linux and the small galaxy of window managers have been doing it so well, and for free, for literally decades.

I recently got a m3 macbook pro (mainly because the general notebook market has been shit for a decade now, I needed to replace my more than a decade old one, and there's pretty much nothing apart from apple which is relatively small, has long battery life, a shitload of RAM and a powerful CPU).

Once there's Linux support for M3 I'll probably switch (have an M1 macbook air with Linux which is doing well) - until then I got things close enough to my Linux Hyprland setup with yabai that it is relatively painfree to use.

Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by bacchusracine »

FdbkHb wrote: post #105
chmod775 wrote: post #82

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Maybe I'm too old, but since when is simply using another software as opposed to built-ins considered modding? Most of these seem like replacements to me. If doing that little is now considered "modding" a desktop OS, we've fucked up somewhere. Even phone OSes like Android let you download replacements of built-ins (such as another launcher, file manager, photo app) right from their app store.

> Maybe I'm too old, but since when is simply using another software as opposed to built-ins considered modding? Most of these seem like replacements to me. ExplorerPatcher /is/ modding. It's not killing explorer.exe and launching another UI that is independent from the os like, say, what blackbox for windows or litestep did. It's patching running executables in memory in a way that could break whenever any data stru…

Man I really miss Litestep at times.

Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by felsokning »

7bit wrote: post #125
felsokning wrote: post #117

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> You surely don't expect this to survive all future refactorings and cleanups? The Win10 bar code has been there, since October 2021, though? I don't know how frequent refactorings are (at M$FT) but given it's been there for nigh three years, I don't see how that's a relevant factor. Even _if_ it were refactored (and/or cleaned-up), it wouldn't be omitted from the release notes, right? Unless it's on the roadmap _fo…

> The Win10 bar code has been there, since October 2021, though? And it could be removed tomorrow. That's the point.

"Could" is, by-and-far, a long stretch from considered, posited, or even planned.

Historical patterns (thus far) have leaned more towards "could not" (three years is not a modicum of time measured in the software lifecycle).

Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by Krasnol »

danparsonson wrote: post #124
Krasnol wrote: post #56

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You've forgotten about the most popular OS on this planet? I wouldn't take an OS recommendation from a person who happened to forget about that.

Sorry to have offended you - it was intended in humour as I have switched from using Windows as a daily driver and now I'm happily using Fedora. But don't worry, you can continue to use whatever you prefer.

You did not offend me...you've posted one of the most annoying memes on internet forums and communities. It stopped being funny many years ago. Especially on Windows topics, it only displays an attitude of ignorance while simultaneously derailing any relevant discussion.

Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by [deleted] »

felsokning wrote: post #134
7bit wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Win10 bar code has been there, since October 2021, though? And it could be removed tomorrow. That's the point.

"Could" is, by-and-far, a long stretch from considered, posited, or even planned. Historical patterns (thus far) have leaned more towards "could not" (three years is not a modicum of time measured in the software lifecycle).

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Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by crtasm »

lolc wrote: post #113
zelphirkalt wrote: post #96

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Funny, how many GNU/Linux desktop environments allow you to do that easily, while being developed by a handful of people, while MS has probably hordes of people working on the UI of Windows. They just don't seem to get it or have complelety incapable UI/UX designers or something.

Every configuration option is a support burden. I say tihs as a KDE user who installed Gnome for the parents.

I'd be fine with it being part of Powertoys.

Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by Log_out_ »

userbinator wrote: post #87

It's worth reminding yourself that there are people at MS actively working to make your lives worse. I'm curious how they feel about implementing such things --- or, when they initially decided to come up with the idea of rewriting the taskbar and removing a bunch of features, was there no opposition from the employees who clearly use Windows themselves? No power users work at MS? I wonder how long it'll be before so…

Wouldn't wonder if there is a ms internal bullshit free win distro.

Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by danparsonson »

Krasnol wrote: post #135
danparsonson wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to have offended you - it was intended in humour as I have switched from using Windows as a daily driver and now I'm happily using Fedora. But don't worry, you can continue to use whatever you prefer.

You did not offend me...you've posted one of the most annoying memes on internet forums and communities. It stopped being funny many years ago. Especially on Windows topics, it only displays an attitude of ignorance while simultaneously derailing any relevant discussion.

Ah. Well in that case I'm sorry for whatever is eating at you, because it surely isn't just a random internet person gloating about their choice of operating system. I wish you a better day, truly.

Re: Microsoft blocks even more customization apps in Windows 11 version 24H2

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Post by pokerface_86 »

archerx wrote: post #43
snailmailman wrote: post #21

I’m still holding off updating to windows 11 as it still doesn’t have feature parity with windows 10. The biggest one was the option to not merge apps in the taskbar down to one icon, and the option to show titles. They finally brought that feature to 11, but apparently the smaller taskbar is gone too? The only option was a larger one that always takes up much more space. I like it to show all the time, so I’d prefer…

I don’t know what microsoft is thinking, there is no real reason to use windows 11, it is a downgrade in a lot of ways. At least windows 10 held directx12 hostage as an incentive to upgrade. Its funny, everytime I boot up one of my systems that still has windows 7 installed it feels so nice, even better than 10 much less 11. I think microsoft is playing a dangerous game with messing around with windows like this, it…

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