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Re: So you wanna de-bog yourself

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post #47

Bog in many slavic languages is God in English and used in many proverbs and idioms. This makes a hilarious headline, I thought this was about exiting god mode.

Y'all probably also know that bog means "toilet" in British English...

But a real Limey would never say "Y'all", so we don't believe you.

Re: So you wanna de-bog yourself

#52
post #12

I really, really hate how many of my problems are toothbrushing problems. I know I just need to get over it and start brushing, but... ugh. Anyway, can't recommend Adam's writing enough. Subscribed after his second post and have never regretted it. If you liked this, you should also read "You can't reach the brain through the ears", an excellent piece about failing to communicate. https://www.experimental-history.com…

I'm floored by how good this article is, and I just read another, and was also floored. His writing reminds me a bit of Raptitude in its - everything-is-fucked-heh-let's-try-to-function-anyhow attitude. And the writing is so, so good, and wildly relatable. https://www.experimental-history.com/p/its-very-weird-to-hav...

Yes, what the hell! It's so good. One of the rare writings that's extremely insightful while being an absolute pleasure to read.

Re: So you wanna de-bog yourself

#53

Ironically, the root of most "bogging" is thinking too much instead of just doing things that need doing or that ripely present themselves. The author has reflected so much that they've created a bespoke system of abstract beliefs with catchy names and various example cases that they can summarize into a 5000 word essay and probably even extend into a book. For a writer, that's a sneaky but effective way to do their…

I agree that most people are not biased towards action, and fixing that is the first step. However, the article is clearly aimed at people who have made that change and now are faced with the more subtle question of "how do I think about the problem such that the action I choose is likely to be appropriate."

Re: So you wanna de-bog yourself

#55

Ironically, the root of most "bogging" is thinking too much instead of just doing things that need doing or that ripely present themselves. The author has reflected so much that they've created a bespoke system of abstract beliefs with catchy names and various example cases that they can summarize into a 5000 word essay and probably even extend into a book. For a writer, that's a sneaky but effective way to do their…

"When we constantly pull everything apart trying to see how it works, we may end up with only an understanding of how to destroy something. We can have piles of spokes, rims and axles, but the beauty only happens when we see the wheel rolling." - Nick Sand

Re: So you wanna de-bog yourself

#56
First step is realizing you're in a statespace of low utility gradient. Colloquially put, everything's meh.

Second step is to examine the separable components of said statespace. Is one increasing while another decreases? You're about to make a big life decision! Are they all meh? Well fuck.

Uh I mean, decompose them further and repeat. Eventually you'll find a meta level where the components of the meh are divergent vectors that sum to zero, and there's your buried n-lemma.

If everything's truly flat and boring for long enough, eventually you'll dig down to causal bedrock where the quantum noise will create signals for you whether you want them or not. Doesn't matter, because at this point, does anything? So just do the thing, you have nothing to lose.

Re: So you wanna de-bog yourself

#57

Ironically, the root of most "bogging" is thinking too much instead of just doing things that need doing or that ripely present themselves. The author has reflected so much that they've created a bespoke system of abstract beliefs with catchy names and various example cases that they can summarize into a 5000 word essay and probably even extend into a book. For a writer, that's a sneaky but effective way to do their…

It’s hypnotic writing in the style of Yudkowsky, Ron Hubbard or supplement scam videos on YouTube. On one hand it is pretending to be thinking rationally about things but with a heavy dose of fantasy mixed in that can put readers in a muddled mental state. They drone on and on and on so that you either give up reading it or go into a trance.

Goodness! Please expand!

Re: So you wanna de-bog yourself

#58

Ironically, the root of most "bogging" is thinking too much instead of just doing things that need doing or that ripely present themselves. The author has reflected so much that they've created a bespoke system of abstract beliefs with catchy names and various example cases that they can summarize into a 5000 word essay and probably even extend into a book. For a writer, that's a sneaky but effective way to do their…

> they've created a bespoke system of abstract beliefs

swatcoder, can you please tell me how you particularly manage to learn from your mistakes?

Some people create personal theories of how the world works, and then put their theories into action: A successful example is Charlie Munger and heres his talk explaining some of his excellent theories: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv7sLrON7QY

Some people overthink things and label things. That can be unhealthy, and Adam touches on that with his "Stroking the problem" section. But the opposite can be unhealthy too: not thinking at all and repeating over and over making the same mistakes.

> catchy names

Useful when communicating with others if it is an uncommon concept. I like to search for the perfect word or perfect catchphrase when thinking about a problem or solution because it helps my thinking.

> various example cases

How do you do it? Don't you look at specific issues you find in your own life? Examples yes? And then generalise from that?

I just don't understand what you're complaining about. The closest I can think is that you're anti-intellectual or you're a "Just do it" prosyletiser - the implication being that thinking is unnecessary and the problem.

Academic over-thinking is its own problem: is that your issue?

Like most things: we need to find the right balance. Thinking too little is bad in a different way from thinking too much.

> intellectualize and systematize and engineer things

I'm just gobsmacked at your choice of words: is systemizing and engineering bad? I define engineering as making good compromises. Maybe you could find some catchier phrases from what you are trying to say ;-). "intellectualize": is thinking good or bad?

I suspect I'm falling into the trap you mention - perhaps we both need to learn to write as well as Mastroianna!!

Re: So you wanna de-bog yourself

#59
Most of my problems lay in the fact that I do not like the way I am right now but do not have the power to get there or the power to make peace with myself. It's cliche but it IS impossible. Yeah it is a bog I made for myself but I did not ask for it.

I kinda think this is a genetic thing. My father is like that too -- he is never happy, rarely content with himself, even when he already achieved a lot.

Re: So you wanna de-bog yourself

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Ironically, the root of most "bogging" is thinking too much instead of just doing things that need doing or that ripely present themselves. The author has reflected so much that they've created a bespoke system of abstract beliefs with catchy names and various example cases that they can summarize into a 5000 word essay and probably even extend into a book. For a writer, that's a sneaky but effective way to do their…

At the very least it led me to some self-reflection, was a short read, and very entertaining.
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