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John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by ruswick »

Also seems a bit odd that Dan announced another big show today.

http://blog.5by5.tv/2012/5/18/coming-soon-big-week-with-dan-...

Probably coincidental, but TTH was a tent pole show, and Big Week appears to be one as well.

I also think that bringing in Dalrymple might have made 5by5 feel too crowded. To my knowledge, of the 5 or so major podcasts on 5by5, Talk Show was the only one hosted by a blogger. (Though I'm hesitant to call John a blogger because he rarely writes original content. 95% of DF is links or quotes with one sentence of analysis, but that's neither here nor there) Dalrymple was only the second blogger, and Gruber must have felt that Jim was stealing his thunder.

Frankly, I think it's for the best. The Talk Show has been going down hill, and can't hold a candle to B&A or Hypercritical.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by pacomerh »

stuntmouse wrote: post #71
jkahn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Gruber's flippant attitude has been bringing the Talk Show down for the past few months. Dan is what holds it together. These days, Hypercritical is by far the best podcast I listen to. It's not worth listening to without Dan Benjamin.

Agreed on Hypercritical being the stronger show now. It's also something that ages better, so that old episodes are still informative.

I was gonna say this, you nailed it. I find myself going back to 2011 to catch up on some current follow up

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by scheeko »

awolf wrote: post #55

Shame on you John Gruber. Seriously though, it's John's show and he's free to take it to another network. I just _really_ hope that this transition was done in a respectful manner and that there isn't bad blood between 5by5 and Mule. A little background: Let's Make Mistakes, Mule Radio's main show, got started with 5by5's help. Let's Make Mistakes was a 5by5 network show for it's first year of existence. It garnered…

I don't know if the transition was respectful in what regards Dan, but it sure was not respectful towards the listeners.

As you, I also feel he's free to move his show wherever he wants, but I also thing he owes his listeners an explanation, or at least a comment. 5by5 was the house we visited to listen to John (with Dan) and we show up and he's not there. A mere link on his website, with no explanation, is, in my opinion, rather distasteful. I haven't heard the new episode until the end, so I don't know if he makes any comment at the end. But certainly there's no explanation or introduction. Even if they parted ways in an unfriendly fashion, he still owes a lot to Benjamin.

Finally, he's an awful Sponsor message reader. Poor Piezo.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

#104

Post by cw4 »

People hate change. Worse, people hate surprising change.

Mike is mostly mocking the people upset with this on Twitter, but if you enjoy a show made up of two people, people get annoyed when one party leaves with no explanation.

Lots of people say "they don't OWE us an explanation". I disagree. People invested in 5by5 through buying shirts, buying the app, listening to ads and using their promo codes, and the time they spent listening and interacting with the network. And when you sign off a show saying another one is coming, and then switch networks and drop 1/2 of the show with no explanation, that's rude.

The way this went down, there's two possibilities:

1. Dan had no idea, which is why he got the shirts printed and TTS was still on 5by5's recording schedule as of Gruber's announcement it moved to Mule.

2. Dan was in on it, but had agreed with Gruber and Mule to keep it secret, for whatever reason.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by fedxc »

Sakurina wrote: post #87
timmins wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are some moments between Mann and Benjamin that are so funny that I have to pause, finish laughing and resume. It's always when they cycle through "I think you mean.." and "No, you're probably thinking..."

I think you're thinking of "I think you're thinking of…"

So meta!

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by fedxc »

jkahn wrote: post #40
TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

This. Gruber's flippant attitude has been bringing the Talk Show down for the past few months. Dan is what holds it together. These days, Hypercritical is by far the best podcast I listen to. It's not worth listening to without Dan Benjamin.

F*ck! You stole my words. I feel exactly the same.

>It's not worth listening to without Dan Benjamin.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by jeffehobbs »

hrktb wrote: post #84
TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

Let's make mistakes was an odd fit anyway, a bit like The Incomparable (which is very good but would belong more to a macworld network obviously). Listening right now to the mule version of The Talk Show, it feels dull and way worse than when cohosted by Dan. It would actually be way funnier with a cohost like Mike Monteiro.

Agreed. It's not the same. Shame on @gruber.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by jeffehobbs »

hej wrote: post #48
klausa wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note: I listen to Talk Show only occasionally, I'm more of Hypercritical guy. So, Dan wanted an iOS app for some time now (year? more?) - and he was working with Black Pixel ( http://blackpixel.com ) on that. We don't know exactly why, but that app was never released - Dan stopped talking about it (I'm not actually sure about this, somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.). Recently, he (again, not sure) wrote new ap…

Ah, ok, now the picture is becoming a lot clearer. Thanks for the clarification!

The 5by5 app is a lot more live-listening-focused than the Black Pixel one. The Black Pixel/Mule app is a curated podcasting client. The current 5by5 app is specifically focused on live broadcast/notification/listening. It's an interesting contrast, IMHO; I wish each app had some of the features of the other.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by purfikt »

jkahn wrote: post #40
TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

This. Gruber's flippant attitude has been bringing the Talk Show down for the past few months. Dan is what holds it together. These days, Hypercritical is by far the best podcast I listen to. It's not worth listening to without Dan Benjamin.

Agreed... I tried listening to the new format and it is basically background noise. Dan added a lot to the show.
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