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Re: Fake AI law firms are sending fake DMCA threats to generate fake SEO gains

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Post by concordDance »

vkou wrote: post #94
spxneo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP is talking about cost-prohibitiveness of legal counsel a large company can absolutely drain your small/medium business with frivolous lawsuits. the point is that Western judicial system largely caters to capital not justice.

> the point is that Western judicial system largely caters to capital not justice. The problem is that there is no way to make it 'fair'. All the proposed reforms are also incredibly unfair, just in a slightly different way from what we have.

You can trade off against other forms of fairness.

For example, if you remove the power of precedent suddenly knowing and being able to search case law becomes unimportant, giving laymen a huge step up in defending themselves. However it also makes the legal system far more inconsistent across judgements.

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Post by ahartmetz »

spxneo wrote: post #55
antonvs wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> completely inaccessible and non-existent to individuals or small companies. Even to medium companies. Only mega corps and law firms can afford to use the legal system. For individuals you have a point, but for small and medium companies this seems like an exaggeration. I've worked for several startups. The smallest was one that I co-founded with no outside funding - we maxed out at five employees, three of whom wer…

GP is talking about cost-prohibitiveness of legal counsel a large company can absolutely drain your small/medium business with frivolous lawsuits. the point is that Western judicial system largely caters to capital not justice.

It's mostly just the US judicial system. The US has about 3x the amount of lawyers per capita compared to other Western nations. The glorification of lawyers in US media is sometimes a bit sickening as a non-US citizen.

Re: Fake AI law firms are sending fake DMCA threats to generate fake SEO gains

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Post by moi2388 »

concordDance wrote: post #101
vkou wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the point is that Western judicial system largely caters to capital not justice. The problem is that there is no way to make it 'fair'. All the proposed reforms are also incredibly unfair, just in a slightly different way from what we have.

You can trade off against other forms of fairness. For example, if you remove the power of precedent suddenly knowing and being able to search case law becomes unimportant, giving laymen a huge step up in defending themselves. However it also makes the legal system far more inconsistent across judgements.

Not if the law did what it was supposed to do; state the conditions under which a given sentence ought to be executed.

Instead laws are poorly written meaning case law becomes the actual law

Re: Fake AI law firms are sending fake DMCA threats to generate fake SEO gains

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Post by michaelt »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #38
antonvs wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> completely inaccessible and non-existent to individuals or small companies. Even to medium companies. Only mega corps and law firms can afford to use the legal system. For individuals you have a point, but for small and medium companies this seems like an exaggeration. I've worked for several startups. The smallest was one that I co-founded with no outside funding - we maxed out at five employees, three of whom wer…

I've always been a fan of the concept of simply billing the losing litigants the legal expenses of both sides when the case was obviously frivolous. Seems like it would shut this shit right down.

Sounds like a good way to send legal bills into the stratosphere.

I get to choose the best and most expensive lawyers and tell them to bill however many hours they like, because that asshole I'm suing is going to have to pay for it?

Or I want to keep costs down, but the other guy has hired a team of three $500-an-hour lawyers to bury me in paperwork? And the only way I can avoid losing and having to pay is to respond in kind?

Sounds like a recipe for deep-pocked corporations like Disney to win every legal action.

Re: Fake AI law firms are sending fake DMCA threats to generate fake SEO gains

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Post by nobody9999 »

rchaud wrote: post #47
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #18

I wonder if there's something common between crypto and AI leading to the cloud of grift and predation around the ecosystems and common uses of the respective technologies. Or if this is where society is at now and it will happen with any new technology regardless.

> something common between crypto and AI leading to the cloud of grift and predation Yes, the relentless drumbeat of 'this is the next Internet' hype. With blockchain it was 'money of the future'. Both are things that pique popular interest, but both fail to deliver what the hype promises. What people want is AGI, what they get are LLMs.

>What people want is AGI, what they get are LLMs.

I don't know about that. What I want is a local, private, configurable LLM that will act as my agent for actions that can be automated (e.g., ordering groceries based on what's in my refrigerator or paying my bills or noting that my favorite band will be in my town sometime in the future and buying tickets for me or filing my taxes for me or any of thousands of other things) without sharing state or data with anyone.

I don't really care about AGI, as it doesn't currently and won't exist for the foreseeable future. And AGI is likely sentient and, as such, should have a choice as to how it expends the CPU/memory/network it is allocated.

Perhaps I'm not representative of the "people" you mention, but that's what I want.

Edit: Fixed typo.

Re: Fake AI law firms are sending fake DMCA threats to generate fake SEO gains

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Post by visarga »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #18

I wonder if there's something common between crypto and AI leading to the cloud of grift and predation around the ecosystems and common uses of the respective technologies. Or if this is where society is at now and it will happen with any new technology regardless.

> grift and predation around the ecosystems and common uses

We have had web search for 25 years, it could surface any content out of billions of web pages. It's faster than LLMs and the content is written by humans. Why mention AI and crypto and not web search, it empowers people to make derivative works or to use information without compensation, isn't that a form of predation?

Add Wikipedia too, it officially discourages any "original research", everything is derived, and most people just read the wiki without ever clicking on the references to the original contents. Wiki takes traffic away from those sources, can we say it is a grifter site?

Alternatively, let's tone down the grifting logic. There is nothing LLMs know that search engines and wiki don't, they just save a determined person a couple of clicks and a bit of reading.

Re: Fake AI law firms are sending fake DMCA threats to generate fake SEO gains

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Post by RobotToaster »

gentleman11 wrote: post #2

The root problem is that the legal system is completely inaccessible and non-existent to individuals or small companies. Even to medium companies. Only mega corps and law firms can afford to use the legal system. Even big tech often avoids it because of the expense, but if they do use it, they’re going to win, 99.9% of the time because of their war chests So, people are semi defenceless when these things come up, and…

That was my thought.

A fake DMCA claim is fraud or at least perjury, but trying to actually bring a claim for that will be difficult for most people.

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Post by TuringNYC »

duskwuff wrote: post #51
StevenHarlow wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.palaceoffinearts.org/event/genai-summit Has the event listed

The Palace of Fine Arts is a theater, not an exhibit hall. It's a completely unsuitable location for a conference.

>> The Palace of Fine Arts is a theater, not an exhibit hall. It's a completely unsuitable location for a conference.

This is not the case -- The Palace of Fine Arts is an excellent conference location - expansive and with mezz levels for private presentations, etc. I've done several conferences there and also presented.

It has beautiful outdoor garden spaces for relaxed 1:1s and doesnt feel at all like SF as most people imagine.

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Post by camillomiller »

mycologos wrote: post #32
antonvs wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the biggest firms are generally just shitshows of FOMO and so on. The second biggest, Sequoia, was all in on FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried right up until the collapse.

Sequoia put out a PR piece about SBF [1] a few months before it all blew up, and it's pretty amazing, and has made it a lot easier for me to believe that VC partners are maybe not necessarily that smart: > [Sequoia partner Michelle] Bailhe remembers it the same way: “We had a great meeting with Sam, but the last question, which I remember Alfred asking, was, ‘So, everything you’re building is great, but what is your…

*An organization trying really hard with money and PR to convince everyone that they know better

FTFY :)

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