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John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

Please let us know how you are sure Mule offered any money let alone a lot.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Damn. I listen to the talk show (and a lot of other podcasts) while I work. It seemed like there was some tension from John's perspective on the last episode Then it was strange that there wasnt an ep last week. Now we know why.

Wasn't there a sense of tension in like half of all episodes?

Hahah yeah. I thought it was just Gruber's personality. There were probably problems when Gruber slammed Readabliity as a scam while one of their investors is Jeffery Zeldman, another 5by5 host. He talked bad about it for a few episodes

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Here are the last ten seconds in the history of The Talk Show on 5by5: Benjamin: "We'll be back regular time next week, right?" Gruber: "I guess so." Benjamin: "Ok. Thanks John." Gruber: "Adios."

yip - i listened to it again just now - while it is not uncommon for gruber to take like 3 mins to respond to questions on TTS I thought he was a bit hesitant with the "I guess so" - he must have known.

I felt the same way as you at the time I listened to it originally but it's very possible we are over analyzing it too.

One day a week I work on-site for a client and it's a monster commute. I need four hours of podcasts each week to make the drive down and back bearable. The Talk Show helped me get through a big chunk of that so it's a bummer to see its old format go away.

I'm going to give the new Talk Show a shot though. Even though Mike Monteiro doesn't appear to be directly involved with this new version (yet) my usual reaction to most things involving him isn't very favorable. I don't particularly enjoy his current podcast at Mule Radio and his recent book is good but not as good as he or the people involved want you to believe it is. But I find Gruber's take on most things, in particular Apple, too good to just automatically discount this new show through guilt by association.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

Just more gossip, but the first thing that comes to mind whenever I think of @Mike_FTW is "Fuck You, Pay Me". Which in principle isn't bad, but ...

I'd bet that's the core of it. Gruber probably thought he deserved more money, and Mule was willing to give it to him. The 5by5 hosts bring the lion's share of the value to the network, and I can't blame them if they want to get paid as such. It isn't screwing 5by5, per se, but perhaps a little scummy (as Gruber might write)?

UPDATE: Other explanations I'd also bet on (might as well hedge, right?): (1) Gruber wanted to be with his friends on the Mule network (2) 5by5 was getting a little crowded, and Gruber wanted the Talk Show to stick out a bit more.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

This. Gruber's flippant attitude has been bringing the Talk Show down for the past few months. Dan is what holds it together. These days, Hypercritical is by far the best podcast I listen to. It's not worth listening to without Dan Benjamin.

Hypercritical is a GREAT show. So is Back to Work

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

Those shirts are now collector's items, probably.

Damn, I nearly bought one but didn't get round to it and now I probably never can. Would pay a premium for one now.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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I don’t understand what you mean. I’m even more confused now. How many different 5by5 apps are there?

Note: I listen to Talk Show only occasionally, I'm more of Hypercritical guy. So, Dan wanted an iOS app for some time now (year? more?) - and he was working with Black Pixel ( http://blackpixel.com ) on that. We don't know exactly why, but that app was never released - Dan stopped talking about it (I'm not actually sure about this, somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.). Recently, he (again, not sure) wrote new ap…

Ah, ok, now the picture is becoming a lot clearer. Thanks for the clarification!

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Here are the last ten seconds in the history of The Talk Show on 5by5: Benjamin: "We'll be back regular time next week, right?" Gruber: "I guess so." Benjamin: "Ok. Thanks John." Gruber: "Adios."

Kind of sounds like Gruber didn't like it when Dan said "So, you approved a new 5by5 t-shirt." That strikes me as something Gruber would get pissed off about — Dan not clearing something like a new t-shirt that uses 'his' brand.

Googling "5by5 tshirts "the talk show"", found a link described as.

"The Talk Show T-Shirt (WWDC 2012 Edition) has finally arrived!Featuring The Talk Show logo printed on a black"

http://shop.5by5.tv/password

"This run is done, thanks for coming by!"

Already pulled.

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