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John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by edbloom »

bjplink wrote: post #24
neave wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John seemed really pissed off during the last 2 mins on episode 90. Seems like that t-shirt announcement was the final straw. It's a shame. Dan gives John structure. On the new Talk Show John's rambling all over the place. Sad.

Here are the last ten seconds in the history of The Talk Show on 5by5: Benjamin: "We'll be back regular time next week, right?" Gruber: "I guess so." Benjamin: "Ok. Thanks John." Gruber: "Adios."

yip - i listened to it again just now - while it is not uncommon for gruber to take like 3 mins to respond to questions on TTS I thought he was a bit hesitant with the "I guess so" - he must have known.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by itsmequinn »

TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

Totally agreed. I know views are split on Gruber and I fell on the side of genuinely liking his blog and The Talk Show, but I think I'm done with both.

I can't imagine how someone could do this to Dan.

Hypercritical is the new hotness anyway.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by runjake »

I don't know what happened here, but I agree with some of the other commenters that Dan really helped make this show what it is. He kept John focused and provided his own great input.

To be honest, I'll probably not follow The Talk Show anymore, and in my mind, the show was far from making or breaking 5by5.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by TwistedWeasel »

smparkes wrote: post #18
cledet wrote: post #10

I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

Just more gossip, but the first thing that comes to mind whenever I think of @Mike_FTW is "Fuck You, Pay Me". Which in principle isn't bad, but ...

That's the big difference I see between Dan Benjamin and Mike Monteiro.

Dan is a professional and has my respect, where as Monteiro makes cheap vulgar jokes. I know which attitude I prefer to support.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by brianb722 »

bjplink wrote: post #24
neave wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John seemed really pissed off during the last 2 mins on episode 90. Seems like that t-shirt announcement was the final straw. It's a shame. Dan gives John structure. On the new Talk Show John's rambling all over the place. Sad.

Here are the last ten seconds in the history of The Talk Show on 5by5: Benjamin: "We'll be back regular time next week, right?" Gruber: "I guess so." Benjamin: "Ok. Thanks John." Gruber: "Adios."

Just relistened. Yeah the last 2 minutes sounded like typical Gruber, but the last 10 seconds do have an extra bit of awkwardness now with this news. Who knows.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by chmars »

tjakab wrote: post #23
hej wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what you mean. I’m even more confused now. How many different 5by5 apps are there?

There's only one. 5by5's app is for listening to live broadcasts of shows on their network. Presumably, they were previously working with BlackPixel to do a podcasting app for the 5by5 shows, which was never released. The Mule Radio app appears to be a re-branded version of that unreleased app. According to this tweet by Dan Benjamin about adding podcasting to the 5by5 app, he feels other apps already do it better. T…

@klausa: Wouldn't it be standard practice to remove any references to 5by5, if only for legal reasons?

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by TwistedWeasel »

itsmequinn wrote: post #32
TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

Totally agreed. I know views are split on Gruber and I fell on the side of genuinely liking his blog and The Talk Show, but I think I'm done with both. I can't imagine how someone could do this to Dan. Hypercritical is the new hotness anyway.

Yeah, Dan seems like the kind of nice guy you just cant help but like. Seems to me like he's been stabbed in the back on this one.

Shame on Gruber.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by pohl »

klausa wrote: post #28
hej wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand what you mean. I’m even more confused now. How many different 5by5 apps are there?

Note: I listen to Talk Show only occasionally, I'm more of Hypercritical guy. So, Dan wanted an iOS app for some time now (year? more?) - and he was working with Black Pixel ( http://blackpixel.com ) on that. We don't know exactly why, but that app was never released - Dan stopped talking about it (I'm not actually sure about this, somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.). Recently, he (again, not sure) wrote new ap…

This app?

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/5by5-radio/id520847556?mt=8

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by jmreid »

bjplink wrote: post #24
neave wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John seemed really pissed off during the last 2 mins on episode 90. Seems like that t-shirt announcement was the final straw. It's a shame. Dan gives John structure. On the new Talk Show John's rambling all over the place. Sad.

Here are the last ten seconds in the history of The Talk Show on 5by5: Benjamin: "We'll be back regular time next week, right?" Gruber: "I guess so." Benjamin: "Ok. Thanks John." Gruber: "Adios."

Kind of sounds like Gruber didn't like it when Dan said "So, you approved a new 5by5 t-shirt."

That strikes me as something Gruber would get pissed off about — Dan not clearing something like a new t-shirt that uses 'his' brand.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by jkahn »

TwistedWeasel wrote: post #19

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show. I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get tha…

This. Gruber's flippant attitude has been bringing the Talk Show down for the past few months. Dan is what holds it together. These days, Hypercritical is by far the best podcast I listen to.

It's not worth listening to without Dan Benjamin.

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