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John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by klausa »

hej wrote: post #8
lukeman wrote: post #3

So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19

Can someone please explain the whole story from the start? I do not understand anything. 5by5 has an app, only recently released. Why would there be another one? Is the app 5by5 has the same as this Mule one? What is this Mule thing? Is it completely new?

Dan was talking about iOS app for long, long time - it was (presumably) nearly finished, but never released - app that was released recently is new project/rewrite of the old one.

Now we know what happened with that version.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by evan_ »

lukeman wrote: post #3

So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19

Mule Radio was started by Mike Monteiro who used to do the Let's Make Mistakes podcast on 5by5. Not sure what that means but it might explain why they could've originally been building a 5by5 powered app and then switched to a different thing.

EDIT: As I suspected there's nothing shady going on, but my guess as to the ownership was wrong. It's explained here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3994053

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by hej »

klausa wrote: post #11
hej wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone please explain the whole story from the start? I do not understand anything. 5by5 has an app, only recently released. Why would there be another one? Is the app 5by5 has the same as this Mule one? What is this Mule thing? Is it completely new?

Dan was talking about iOS app for long, long time - it was (presumably) nearly finished, but never released - app that was released recently is new project/rewrite of the old one. Now we know what happened with that version.

I don’t understand what you mean. I’m even more confused now. How many different 5by5 apps are there?

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by lukeman »

evan_ wrote: post #12
lukeman wrote: post #3

So Mule now has The Talk Show and its new iOS app is really a reskinned 5by5 app that never was released (check inside the app bundle and you'll see the class prefix is FBF and the 5by5 logo is even in there—presumably unused). Nerd drama. edit: here's a screengrab of the Mule Radio app bundle if you're curious: http://cl.ly/1E240C0C272c2R3L2N19

Mule Radio was started by Mike Monteiro who used to do the Let's Make Mistakes podcast on 5by5. Not sure what that means but it might explain why they could've originally been building a 5by5 powered app and then switched to a different thing. EDIT: As I suspected there's nothing shady going on, but my guess as to the ownership was wrong. It's explained here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3994053

Anyone who listened to the shows last year knows Dan was working with Black Pixel on the 5by5 app. Why that fell through we won't know, but this app is clearly the result of that.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by evan_ »

cledet wrote: post #10

I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

Those shirts are now collector's items, probably.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by neave »

cledet wrote: post #10

I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

John seemed really pissed off during the last 2 mins on episode 90. Seems like that t-shirt announcement was the final straw.

It's a shame. Dan gives John structure. On the new Talk Show John's rambling all over the place. Sad.

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by fatbob »

cledet wrote: post #10

I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

Daring Fireball just started up their shirts again. Coincidence?

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by smparkes »

cledet wrote: post #10

I think this caught Dan by surprised. Dan got the Talk Show shirts made up and he seem pretty excited when he announced them during the last two minutes of episode 90. Gruber didn't seem to care at all. I'm sure Mule offered Gruber a lot of money to bring the podcast to them. Got to support the family right?

Just more gossip, but the first thing that comes to mind whenever I think of @Mike_FTW is "Fuck You, Pay Me". Which in principle isn't bad, but ...

Re: John Gruber takes 'The Talk Show' to Mule Radio

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Post by TwistedWeasel »

I'm pretty disappointed with this move. I was getting a little tired of the Talk Show on 5By5 but it was still enjoyable because Dan brought humor and structure to the show.

I remember when Let's Make Mistakes split off and formed a new podcast network it felt odd to me at the time, like they used 5By5 to get some initial audience and then took them for themselves. For some reason it fit with the impression I get that Mike Monteiro is an asshole.

With this move I am done with the Talk Show. I just dont care any more.

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