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German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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Re: German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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Microsoft in a nutshell… I swear they offplanered their ux people to the moon where they couldn’t do anything. Or they have no ux people. Or their ux people have no effect.

They fired all the testers and figured user telemetry could be everything they need.

Does that include voice to text when users yell at the computer and chuck it at a wall?

Re: German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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What features in Office are essential for those users that you don't get from Google? If you're talking about Excel I can imagine there are such features but not so much in other apps.

I am exclusively Google office user, but... Out of the top of my head: * Google docs are uglier than Microsoft word documents. This matters when I prepare an offer that I want to send to a client, and it should look good. * Google slides are hideous, and the only reason I get away with using them is because programmers (including me) have no taste[1] * Related to the looks, I sometimes buy paid document templates tha…

Is it just about the default font? Most office workers have 0 sense of aesthetics and sometimes official guidelines actively make things ugly (like forcing fonts like Times New Roman on everyone). Or the cutesy Calibri on official notices.

Re: German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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I can remember the same or very similar news from Germany appearing every now and then for over a decade.

This time I almost believe them as there seems to be no alternative to LibreOffice given the changes Microsoft introduced during the recent years - forcing everyone to log-in with their Microsoft account at best, also moving from a classic desktop app to a web app. Conservative users like me and probably German state institutions consider classic desktop apps and web apps distinct tools for different tasks and don't want their desktop to depend on cloud.

It is also worth mentioning that LibreOffice became much better since the time the discussion began.

Re: German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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Can anyone tell me what this means: "Other countries, notably China, have proverbs that say they are much more stubborn when shifting gears from Windows to Linux." Proverbs? A stitch in time saves nine. Many hands make light work. Please, anyone, show me a proverb that says "they are much more stubborn when shifting gears from Windows to Linux."

No tux, no bucks! Wait, that would be the other way around.

All Tux, no bucks?

Re: German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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Without an actual design vision, all open source software will flounder and never replace commercial counterparts.

Gimp, blender, firefox and obs are all very successful OSS alternatives that come to mind.

Blender represents an outlier in the OSS landscape, largely due to its unique product vision. Its development was driven by practical use in creating open movies, which provided a built-in customer base. As a niche 3D software, it was subject to less conventional expectations in its presentation, allowing it to stand out. Despite this, Blender’s UI/UX design has faced criticism, suggesting that if it were applied in other domains, the reception might be even less favorable.

Re: German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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> Very hard for me to understand why, in a world of Google docs, anyone would want to deal with the bloated mess that is ms office. For knowledge workers who live in these tools, the difference is stark. Even for companies who've standardized on Google Workspace or Apple iWork, advanced users will need Microsoft Office.

This is true. Among other things, I do a lot of label printing and the tools in MS Word are miles more mature. You get these same types of responses when people list off all the alternatives to Photoshop. Just not the same.

Well it really depends on how you use the programs you are comparing.

Re: German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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Suggestions based on ignorance of the product isn't the best place to start.

This. Believe me, Office and Office clones are very distinguishable. It's like saying a Macdonalds burger is indistinguishable from a Gordon Ramsey burger. They may both be food, but they are very much not the same thing. There's a reason people use Office. Pretending that reason does not exist does not make the argument for switching better.

I've been using libreoffice for maybe 10 years now? I don't remember what I'm missing, could you name one or two killer features of ms office?

Re: German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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Very hard for me to understand why, in a world of Google docs, anyone would want to deal with the bloated mess that is ms office. I was helping an elderly relative who works as a translator and hasn’t touched a modern version of word in about 5 years. They had a new computer and I got an ms office sub for them. The poor person re-did about 4 hours of their work 3x because they couldn’t find the file MS Word had guara…

Because Google Docs only has 10% of the functionality? Also your anecdote is user error.

Re: German state ditches Microsoft for Linux and LibreOffice

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What features in Office are essential for those users that you don't get from Google? If you're talking about Excel I can imagine there are such features but not so much in other apps.

I am exclusively Google office user, but... Out of the top of my head: * Google docs are uglier than Microsoft word documents. This matters when I prepare an offer that I want to send to a client, and it should look good. * Google slides are hideous, and the only reason I get away with using them is because programmers (including me) have no taste[1] * Related to the looks, I sometimes buy paid document templates tha…

MS Word templates are one of the most awful things I've ever messed with. I had a fun time using them with pandoc to produce autogenerated word documents. ARGH! The nightmares!

We should just all get off our butts and learn LaTeX! Not that I have. ahhahahaha.

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