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Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

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Re: Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

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I just want to know how much this cost

> Cost was 330 USD for PCB manufacturing and assembly of two PCBs and additional 225 EUR (240 USD) for components from Digikey that I soldered myself. This is including 24% VAT and shipping costs.

I came to ask about that 24% VAT - ouch!

Re: Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

#62
This is incredible.

I've wanted to thank the author for a while for his past articles [1][2] which have been a wonderful source of information when working on my sonar systems [3]. This article again explains really well a complicated topic. Please, keep up the great work!

[1]: https://hforsten.com/radar-phase-measurements.html

[2]: https://hforsten.com/6-ghz-frequency-modulated-radar.html

[3]: https://twitter.com/alextoussss/status/1756371553460121766

Re: Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

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Could this be adapted into a voxel system? Seems like it could be cheaper than LIDAR which are a huge cost for why the HW for self-driving systems are so expensive & work in far more environments that LIDARs struggle with. I suspect getting multiple directions simultaneously is hard?

Look at the forward looking automotive 4D (distance, speed, azimuth angle, elevation angle) radar systems. The new ones work at around 80GHz, and the entire thing comes in one integrated, tiny package, 16x16 phased array antenna already included with the MCs and FPGAs on the same board.

To go from those 4D radar maps to a voxel system requires a whole lot of software, of course.

The end goal seems to be to beat LIDAR on price and reliability (turns out moving mirrors don't like years of constant vibrations), while delivering enough resolution for self-driving.

Re: Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

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Does KiCad allow to take these delays for each pin into account automatically or do you need to do all that manually? Edit: it's using the pad property of "pad-to-die-length" if doing it manually, right?

No, it needs to be done manually. It wasn't as tedious as it sounds though. Most of the pins are very close in delay already and there were just few traces that I had to adjust a little.

How is kicad getting along with RF work in 2024, would you say?

I did some prototyping but never got the stage if actually fumbling around with PCBs a few years ago, things seemed to progressing quite well.

Re: Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

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I remember this article from the same site a while back - https://hforsten.com/heartbeat-detection-with-radar.html I bought some cheap 10ghz and 24ghz dopper radar units off of amazon and started tinkering with them. You can absolutely pick up heartbeats and breathing just visually in the spectrogram. Here's a few samples from that era: 10ghz pointed at ceiling fan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIiFvByf1CQ 10ghz p…

interesting does/can it work behind structures? is it safe to point this at yourself?

yes, it's safe. It's not that different from regular WiFi or cellular signals.

It's non ionizing (aka it doesn't have enough energy to instantly destroy cells unlike uv radiation) but it can heat up tissue, which is linked to cancer and worse (think microwave ovens).

Re: Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

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In theory, though it sounds like to compete with LIDAR it will need about 1000x more antennas, with a related increase in electronics.

Cutting-edge AESA radar like on the F-35 is incredible. It actually looks like a black and white photograph. I think your guess on antennas is roughly correct based on what we know about modern AESA.

Isn't that Synthetic Aperture Radar though? You can get similar results (black and white aerial pictures) by strapping a pretty basic siso radar system on a drone.

Re: Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

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interesting does/can it work behind structures? is it safe to point this at yourself?

yes, it's safe. It's not that different from regular WiFi or cellular signals. It's non ionizing (aka it doesn't have enough energy to instantly destroy cells unlike uv radiation) but it can heat up tissue, which is linked to cancer and worse (think microwave ovens).

There’s no risk of cancer from heating up tissue.

Re: Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

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yes, it's safe. It's not that different from regular WiFi or cellular signals. It's non ionizing (aka it doesn't have enough energy to instantly destroy cells unlike uv radiation) but it can heat up tissue, which is linked to cancer and worse (think microwave ovens).

There’s no risk of cancer from heating up tissue.

There is but it's sun burn type risks, not nuclear reactor type.

A few unlucky people have been literally cooked to death by military radar. It's as awful as it sounds.

Re: Homemade 6 GHz pulse compression radar

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yes, it's safe. It's not that different from regular WiFi or cellular signals. It's non ionizing (aka it doesn't have enough energy to instantly destroy cells unlike uv radiation) but it can heat up tissue, which is linked to cancer and worse (think microwave ovens).

There’s no risk of cancer from heating up tissue.

I did some reading and it seems you are right.

No Idea why phones come with a SAR rating then and why there are safe limits defined, when no one found unsafe limits.

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