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Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by mschuster91 » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 4:19 PM UTC

f_allwein wrote: post #298

mschuster91 wrote: post #226

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> It's a sad story. My spouse is working for the city in some legal department and she was happily using LiMux for years with no big issues. The main problem was that the IT department was understaffed and underpaid... I worked on LiMux in the developer team at the start of my career. HN is a village, lol. And the situation is more complex, and long enough has passed for me to detail out what actually were the proble…

So interesting - Dankeschön for sharing!

I dug back into the archives and found two old comments of mine back when my memory was more fresh [1] [2]. Happy reading. To add a few corrections to my top post - the upper limit of machines back then was 2GB of RAM, usually 512 to 1024M, and it was 10/10 fiber not SDSL that was the norm.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13627452

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15768378

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by MichaelZuo » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 4:42 PM UTC

moooo99 wrote: post #245

MichaelZuo wrote: post #195

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Are you sure? A huge chunk of cost increases in modern high rise building (outside of land and taxes) is due to ever more stringent fire safety requirements.

Would you like to see your house burn completely to the ground? Would you know how to deal with a car wreckage? I don’t, I’m grateful for those people existing. Regarding safety regulations, those were most often driven by tragedies that occurred prior to those regulations being in place. I prefer being alive over saving money

You’ll almost certainly get outvoted by the lower housing cost crowd, considering the usual comments on HN for these topics.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by weinzierl » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 5:06 PM UTC

dewey wrote: post #266

weinzierl wrote: post #202

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Past week I travelled to London by train. I tried to book this trip a couple of months in advance from Deutsche Bahn website, but only got obscure error messages when finalizing the booking(*). So I tried the french SNCF app and the booking was done in a couple of minutes, all tickets conveniently in the app - expect for the German leg of the travel. SNCF sent me a Deutsche Bahn paper ticket via snail mail. (*) Tried…

Try trainline.com next time, there’s many official DB resellers if you run into issues with their site.

Thanks, I did not know that. My point was more that German authorities and their privatized successors are so stuck in their paper based processes, that even when you book via a reseller app (line SNCF) they'll have to send paper per mail.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by dewey » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 5:10 PM UTC

weinzierl wrote: post #303

dewey wrote: post #266

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Try trainline.com next time, there’s many official DB resellers if you run into issues with their site.

Thanks, I did not know that. My point was more that German authorities and their privatized successors are so stuck in their paper based processes, that even when you book via a reseller app (line SNCF) they'll have to send paper per mail.

That’s indeed a bit weird, I book quite often and haven’t had a paper tickets in 10 years even with frequent cross border (Austria / Germany) travel. Have encountered many other issues with DB of course!

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by mariusor » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 5:27 PM UTC

vasco wrote: post #188

mariusor wrote: post #171

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Do you have a specific critique of the StackIt cloud that makes you put "alternative" in quotes? Do share if that's the case.

"The pricing page is a PDF" is right there in my post. I can get deeper but as we say in my language, "for those who want to understand, half a word is enough".

> I can get deeper

Please do.

I can't say I'd trust the opinion of someone that gives "price page is a PDF" as the only reason for invalidating a cloud offer. :)

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by wg0 » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 5:35 PM UTC

freetanga wrote: post #169

daeros wrote: post #29

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sane policy. Every time Office 365 is down I watch the maddening dash of IT workers who can't get anything done, it's amusing.

Every time my MS rep brings up O365 I correct him: “it’s Office 363. It does not work twice a year”

Stupid but genuine question because I never used it.

How does Office 365 work?

Like Office 2007 and such were all MFC/ATL code bases so calling GDI+ and all that.

How does it work now? Canvas and Web assembly etc?

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by nogajun » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 5:35 PM UTC

LibreOffice may be useful for German, but not for Asian languages. This is because it was designed without regard to the typographical rules of the Asian-speaking world.

You could say that TDF is "committed to Asian languages". But text is meaningless unless it can be used according to typographic rules, not just to display characters. They do not understand that.

And the problem is that the user interface is stuck in the 2000s. They don't understand that the Ribbon UI has been around for 17 years and generations have changed.

They say, "There's the Tabbed UI," but the Tabbed UI is nothing like the Ribbon UI. They're in denial and they don't want to get out of the 2000s.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by freetanga » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 5:48 PM UTC

markbranly wrote: post #187

freetanga wrote: post #169

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Every time my MS rep brings up O365 I correct him: “it’s Office 363. It does not work twice a year”

Does he laugh it off or get offended? I find a good rep walks the line between customer advocate and company "man".

Laughs it off. Except the time I said that to his boss and the Western Europe MS Head Sales. That time he skirted it…

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by freetanga » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 5:50 PM UTC

wg0 wrote: post #306

freetanga wrote: post #169

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Every time my MS rep brings up O365 I correct him: “it’s Office 363. It does not work twice a year”

Stupid but genuine question because I never used it. How does Office 365 work? Like Office 2007 and such were all MFC/ATL code bases so calling GDI+ and all that. How does it work now? Canvas and Web assembly etc?

No clue. But the most painful point is not so much loosing web-based apps (we still have local versions) but Teams, OneDrive and some management tools which are moot if services are down

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 04, 2024, 5:58 PM UTC

nogajun wrote: post #307

LibreOffice may be useful for German, but not for Asian languages. This is because it was designed without regard to the typographical rules of the Asian-speaking world. You could say that TDF is "committed to Asian languages". But text is meaningless unless it can be used according to typographic rules, not just to display characters. They do not understand that. And the problem is that the user interface is stuck i…

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