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The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by arduanika »

TRDRVR wrote: post #52
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who cares if it was? I don't see a movement of the Irish to eradicate this phrase.

Isn't this a forum for the intellectually curious? I made no call to action. I guess I should have known any time the information is something certain people would consider 'woke' it elicits a strong emotional reaction beyond the information itself. My bad.

Indeed, we're even curious enough to read your link! And to discover that it says the opposite of what you claimed! What you're seeing is in fact a strong emotional reaction to misinformation.

And your implicit call to action was crystal clear. Don't be coy.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by TRDRVR »

zug_zug wrote: post #70
TRDRVR wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have successfully repeated the opinion of the Oxford English Dictionary after reading an entire article about how the British used Pales to colonize areas and define boundaries, but I'm not sure it's as cut and dry as you want it to be.

Dude it was your source. Take the L and don't cite sources you haven't read going forward.

Please don't make personal attacks like that on this forum, it's against the rules.

So is claiming someone didn't read a source when you disagree with their interpretation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by hollywood_court »

When I first moved back to Alabama, I took a job running 6 different 5 axis CNC machines for a Korean company.

They had a policy that forced every new hire to go through a temp hire process and work for at least 3 months before being hired on with the company and receiving benefits and decent pay.

There was no way I was going to allow myself to do the same work for less pay and no benefits for 3 entire months or more.

So after my first week I told the materials engineer that I would need to leave early on a Friday because I had a job interview.

I told him that at 9:30am and by 1pm he offered me a full time position. I was the only person who had ever skirted around the temp hire process and it upset quite a few people. But I knew what I was worth.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by Chris2048 »

TRDRVR wrote: post #37
arduanika wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That claim is not supported in the source you linked. In fact, it's directly contradicted several times. For example, toward the end, it quotes the OED: "The theory that the origin of the phrase [‘beyond the pale’] relates to any of several specific regions, such as the area of Ireland formerly called the Pale … or the Pale of Settlement in Russia … is not supported by the early historical evidence and is likely to b…

What about the link contradicts the point that it's pro-colonialist? The etymology is in doubt for any particular area, not the concept of what a pale was and how it was used to colonize. That is the point of "many believe." Also keep in mind that the major doubter is the Oxford English Dictionary...

The phrase seems to refer to journeying "beyond the established border" of the settlement. Even if this is from a colonialist perspective, that doesn't obviously make it "pro-colonialist".

> Also keep in mind that the major doubter is the Oxford English Dictionary

So we are to disregard English opinion on the English language?..

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by Draiken »

I (thankfully) just got hired and it took 7 interviews. 6 of which included live coding. And I got lucky, as they could've said no after all that time investment.

I understand that hiring is hard and I've had bad hires before, so I know it's definitely costly. I've had candidates with years of experience that couldn't code, so I get some of it.

But at the same time it's almost insulting to have to prove that I know how to code 6 times over, with 15+ years of experience.

I don't know what the solution is, but it's definitely not to steal even more free time from interviewees.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by clarity20 »

TRDRVR wrote: post #20

Just a periodic reminder that 'Beyond the Pale' is a pro-colonialist phrase that many believe was was part of Britain's Centuries-long campaign to eliminate Irish culture. https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h...

There isn't much to "colonialism". It's just the establishment of colonies. In the many historical cases where the subject peoples were cannibals, I would have supported colonization.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by arduanika »

TRDRVR wrote: post #65
arduanika wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, so if you're interested in my answer, I guess I would ask you how you want to proceed. Do we want to accept that OED is an trustworthy catalog of etymological facts, or not? If not, why? Do you think the quotes it pulls from the 1700's are fabricated? Do you think it's suppressing an earlier usage of "pale of settlement"? What is your claim, exactly? You're the one whose source was quoting from OED, so you tell…

No I just think all those quotes reference colonization. Many people believe that specifically the Irish Pale popularized the statement, but the OED aren't among them. What are we disagreeing about?

Where exactly is the reference to colonization in the Mackenzie quote? This one: "when we would be blessed beyond the pale of reason, we are blessed imperfectly". Sorry, I'm not seeing it.

"Many people believe..."

Name one. Have a free do-over: pick a source you actually agree with this time. Make sure it doesn't quote any reference books that you distrust.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by trevyn »

mooreds wrote: post #8
ofslidingfeet wrote: post #3

We'll eventually get to the point where anyone willing to jump through these stupid hoops is primarily motivated by greed.

> primarily motivated by greed. Or perhaps a desire to, say, eat or live under a roof? A job is pretty much required for living nowadays in much of the world. A good job (one that requires jumping through such hoops) makes living much easier.

Weird, literally the majority of people who eat or live under roofs don’t have jobs.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by j_m_b »

We're just beginning to experience a shuffling of the top companies. Remember FAANG? Just look at how bad the products are these companies churn out. Google search is a degraded experience, Apple released vision pro, and the N for Netflix should probably be N for Nvidia.

It makes sense that the larger and mid-sized players are indecisive and taking things slow, the status quo is working out great for them. Why change it up? You're not innovating anymore, that was long ago extinguished by the bureaucracy that inevitably comes with a large organization. The easiest way to increase profits is to reduce payroll.

However, there is going to be a lot of smaller companies that will quickly start eating the lunch of the larger companies in terms of hiring. They're going to be able to move fast and hire quick while the labor pool is oversaturated. This is a growing pain that happens during these times of reshuffling. We'll see amazing new companies that will make FAANG orgs look like Sears Holdings. This cycle has happened since before you entered the labor market and will continue long after you retire.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by CoastalCoder »

TRDRVR wrote: post #69
CoastalCoder wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as an Irishman, please be comforted to know that I truly don't care about the original meaning (whatever it truly was) of the phrase.

As someone else who doesn't deal in identity politics, please know I don't care what you think of it and was trying to share information on a forum for the intellectually curious.

I thought you might be arguing your position because you wanted to stand up for persons like me.

It appears I was mistaken, and I apologise.

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