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The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by wahnfrieden »

imiric wrote: post #38
dep_b wrote: post #15

It's kind of fascinating to see companies I've interviewed at, where I did well enough in my honest opinion to get something of an offer in yesterday's market where they didn't even went for a better candidate but simply reposted the job the same week. What is the idea? They just have it up to find that one 0.1% developer that happens to walk through the door? I can't imagine companies simply want to wait to roll out…

Not every company is urgently looking to fill a role. It might be more acceptable for them to wait for a candidate who is a better fit, than to hire someone they're not thrilled about, and increase the costly risk of it not working out.

Managers keeping their budget alive.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by mooreds »

SoftTalker wrote: post #12
mooreds wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> primarily motivated by greed. Or perhaps a desire to, say, eat or live under a roof? A job is pretty much required for living nowadays in much of the world. A good job (one that requires jumping through such hoops) makes living much easier.

Nowadays?

Subsistence agriculture was a thing.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by TRDRVR »

selwoot wrote: post #27
TRDRVR wrote: post #20

Just a periodic reminder that 'Beyond the Pale' is a pro-colonialist phrase that many believe was was part of Britain's Centuries-long campaign to eliminate Irish culture. https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h...

That's the exact opposite of what the link you included says. From https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h... As for the relationship between the two expressions, the OED has this to say: “The theory that the origin of the phrase [‘beyond the pale’] relates to any of several specific regions, such as the area of Ireland formerly called the Pale … or the Pale of Settlement in Russia … is not suppo…

You have successfully repeated the opinion of the Oxford English Dictionary after reading an entire article about how the British used Pales to colonize areas and define boundaries, but I'm not sure it's as cut and dry as you want it to be.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by TRDRVR »

justin_oaks wrote: post #40
TRDRVR wrote: post #20

Just a periodic reminder that 'Beyond the Pale' is a pro-colonialist phrase that many believe was was part of Britain's Centuries-long campaign to eliminate Irish culture. https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h...

Just a periodic reminder that the origin or words or phrases doesn't have bearing on their meaning today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy

Incorrect from a formal logic standpoint.

It doesn't necessarily have bearing, but you cannot generalize the way you are doing.

Then no word would mean anything.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by hinkley »

chrstphrknwtn wrote: post #4
cableshaft wrote: post #2

I don't know about anyone else, but if they don't have me do at least a baker's dozen worth of interviews, then I start to worry they don't properly value me. Like I'm not the equivalent of a one night stand job seeker. You need to wine and dine me with multiple phone calls, technical interviews, all-day in-person interviews, and interrogating all of my references before I'll even think of playing hard to get by thre…

If it takes thirteen interviews for someone, or a group of people, to know if I'm worth hiring, then I would assume they have no idea what they're doing. That seems like a waste of everybody's time.

I kept waiting for the sarcasm tag that never came.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

TRDRVR wrote: post #20

Just a periodic reminder that 'Beyond the Pale' is a pro-colonialist phrase that many believe was was part of Britain's Centuries-long campaign to eliminate Irish culture. https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h...

And who cares if it was? I don't see a movement of the Irish to eradicate this phrase.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by lazide »

gentleman11 wrote: post #22

A variant: government of canada/province jobs that re-post your job every season; requiring you to fully re-apply and re-interview over and over with your boss while they endlessly try to replace you, no matter how well you did. Until you get promoted or they find somebody they like better and you have to move 500+ km to get a different position I honestly think amazons stack ranking is less humiliating and skeezy

All I can say is, wtf?

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by TRDRVR »

wrs wrote: post #31
selwoot wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the exact opposite of what the link you included says. From https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2012/12/beyond-the-pale.h... As for the relationship between the two expressions, the OED has this to say: “The theory that the origin of the phrase [‘beyond the pale’] relates to any of several specific regions, such as the area of Ireland formerly called the Pale … or the Pale of Settlement in Russia … is not suppo…

Also from the article: a “pale” is a fence. “Beyond the pale” used to require a suffix (e.g., “beyond the pale of reason”) but eventually by itself started to be short for “beyond the pale of acceptable behavior”.

And what were those fences specifically used for pray tell.

Re: The return of never-ending job interviews: 'It can go beyond the pale'

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Post by cableshaft »

mooreds wrote: post #9
jakupovic wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly sure if you're being sarcastic or not. But I am for the wining and dining part, accompanied by a good interview it can be fun. The other 12 parts can be skipped.

That's what I thought too--is the poster being sarcastic?

I guess I did need that /s. I thought I was being sufficiently over the top but I guess I wasn't. I hate multiple interviews. The best interviews I've had were a single 45 minute interview.
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