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German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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I’d quit my job if I was forced to a Linux desktop and non office365 tools. The loss of productivity in this change is going to be massively disruptive. It’s not going to go as smoothly as they think it will. I highly doubt their pilot program sniffed out all the complexities.

If this would be the case: Thank you for creating a job opportunity for more open minded people ;-)

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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In those cases, there's not really a practical non-proprietary option. Whereas with a lot of software, there is a practical non-proprietary option.

In that case their question can be answered thus: Because that proprietary, closed software from a single vendor is the industry standard and you will get laughed out of the room for deviating.

It's a stupid question and virtue signal statement no matter which way it goes. Either it falls down on itself from hypocrisy, or it falls down on itself from defying reality.

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It’s kind of a bummer that there’s a bunch of these separate OSS initiatives in Spain, France, Germany and a few other countries.. Instead of everyone rolling their own subvariant of Nextcloud, Matrix, LibreOffice etc, imagine if there was an EU mandate set up and some serious money was budgeted to it. You’d get a triple multiplier of more budget, less duplication of effort, and a self-reinforcing cycle where more us…

But isn’t this the very centralisation we’re trying to avoid?

When it's open source, forking / moving is always an option and you're not vendor locked or being charged exuberant fees with no other option.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Do the americans exclusively use MS Office in government computers?

Yes. Most schools too. Microsoft has incredible political power here.

Even after CISA's review of the summer 2023 Microsoft Exchange online intrusion?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39929246

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Why is this constantly happening and nothing comes out of it? I've been reading same headline for past 20 years, I thought even if it was a single town, most of Germany would be running Libre/Open Office by now.

Also OnlyOffice is a much better candidate, it's very usable and OSS as well.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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> Why should local governments use taxpayers’ money to buy proprietary, closed software from a single vendor? I don't want to be a pessimist, but working with non-traditional tools is going to cost the taxpayers more money when important documents are not formatted correctly or the software behaves differently than the proprietary alternatives. Linux is successful on the server because it has huge corporate backing.…

Only if you exclude the attack vector of linked MS products.

How many malware attacks are based on some kind of Office exploit?

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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My wife just started a new job in the Netherlands and I was super excited to hear that her office uses Ubuntu and LibreOffice for all their PC's. She wasn't interviewing for a tech job but apparently her being reasonably familiar with both was helpful at her interview (all those years of Raspberry Pis around the house paid off!)

Is this normal? It certainly would be an outlier back in the US.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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As much as I congratulate them for moving away from Microsoft Office as much I feel this is a step in the wrong direction. We need to move our administration away from the paper centric workflows of a world that is long gone for most people.

Exactly. Rubber Stamps belong in a museum. Along with Fax machines. And the people still insisting on using those for "security reasons". Common practice in Germany is to receive an email with a pdf, print it, sign it (or stamp) it, and then put it in the post. This both stupid and slow.

German bureaucracy is still paper driven. Having lived in other countries with more or less full digital access to all the stuff Germans still do with paper forms or in person, I know the difference. It's slow, tedious, expensive, error prone, etc.

Any paper forms should move online. The whole ritual of printing them, filling them in with a pen, and then having people manually copy information back into some ancient database is just completely backwards. People should sign stuff digitally. This is not only possible but common practice in most of the countries bordering Germany.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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What's the alternative? Would they be able to do more without cloud office solutions? Like in the days long last we used to email .doc files to each other? I doubt it. Would hosting an on-prem alternative yeld better cost and a higher uptime? I doubt it.

You mean emailing .doc files around to co-workers, like what happened yesterday?

Nowadays they mail .docx around, haven't seen a .doc in a long time. I'm a software dev on Linux and haven't even LibreOffice installed. I tell the sender to please send it to me as .pdf. I write docs in markdown on GitHub (the company I work for uses GitHub, make of it what you will).

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Microsoft spent so much money to make it fail.

How do they do that? I mean, practically? If the open source solution works, where do Microsoft spend money to make it fail?

Bribery can also work. I'm not saying that this is what they have done in Germany, but in Romania it was a big scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_licensing_corrupti...
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