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Re: The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job

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The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job staff shortages in the U.S. You mean the white-collar jobs Americans can't find anyone to do?

As an American, I've heard way more stories about endless application for white collar jobs going nowhere than white collar jobs not being able to be filled (unless we are talking about something specialized and niche.). American companies have no problem selling out their own citizens for their shareholders.

Re: The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job

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Would you mind also looking a bit further please, like on the main European continent? Our wages here are even lower than in London/UK and we also speak good English. You can hire a developer here for what you'd pay a barista at your San-Fran HQ. Thanks!

I've been a hiring manager, and while wages play a role, they do not significantly move the needle.

The main driver is talent base, ease of operations, and time zone overlaps.

The true value of offshoring comes from being able to essentially run 24/7 operations across a couple countries that have a strong talent base and relatively easy operations for us as a company (easy to fire, easy to hire, tax holidays, etc).

This is why Israel, India, Ireland, and parts of Eastern Europe like Romania, Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine became popular for software outsourcing.

Re: The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job

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Would you mind also looking a bit further please, like on the main European continent? Our wages here are even lower than in London/UK and we also speak good English. You can hire a developer here for what you'd pay a barista at your San-Fran HQ. Thanks!

I've been a hiring manager, and while wages play a role, they do not significantly move the needle. The main driver is talent base, ease of operations, and time zone overlaps. The true value of offshoring comes from being able to essentially run 24/7 operations across a couple countries that have a strong talent base and relatively easy operations for us as a company (easy to fire, easy to hire, tax holidays, etc). T…

>This is why Israel, India, and parts of Eastern Europe like Romania, Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine became popular for software outsourcing.

Not sure about the rest but it's definitely not easy to fire in Romania at all, and workers there get a lot of mandatory legal benefits like generous sick and parental leave. Unless you hire them B-2-B, which is quite common for high wage outsourcing jobs, then yeah.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a hiring manager, and while wages play a role, they do not significantly move the needle. The main driver is talent base, ease of operations, and time zone overlaps. The true value of offshoring comes from being able to essentially run 24/7 operations across a couple countries that have a strong talent base and relatively easy operations for us as a company (easy to fire, easy to hire, tax holidays, etc). T…

>This is why Israel, India, and parts of Eastern Europe like Romania, Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine became popular for software outsourcing. Not sure about the rest but it's definitely not easy to fire in Romania at all, and workers there get a lot of mandatory legal benefits like generous sick and parental leave. Unless you hire them B-2-B, which is quite common for high wage outsourcing jobs, then yeah.

"hire B-2-B", a.k.a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_self-employment ?

Re: The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job

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The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job staff shortages in the U.S. You mean the white-collar jobs Americans can't find anyone to do?

That is pretty much the definition of staff shortage, yes.

I think that's their point, that if the jobs being taken by Brits are ones without anyone in the US able/willing to fill the position then the headline of "stealing jobs" is a bad one.

Re: The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job

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As someone who lives in the UK it's pretty depressing that we somehow seem to have succeeded in mismanaging ourselves into being a low-wage economy. The 20% or so depreciation in the pound as a result of brexit, and the subsequent futher devaluation as a result of the chaos of Boris -> Liz Truss -> Rishi Sunak definitely played a part in making the UK relatively attractive for firms from the US say, but there are als…

It's deliberate, if you read their document* from a few years ago "Britain Unchained" that was basically the plan.

*I say document, it's written like it's by 6th formers who have just discovered Ayn Rand, but it is pretty short.

Re: The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job

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As someone who lives in the UK it's pretty depressing that we somehow seem to have succeeded in mismanaging ourselves into being a low-wage economy. The 20% or so depreciation in the pound as a result of brexit, and the subsequent futher devaluation as a result of the chaos of Boris -> Liz Truss -> Rishi Sunak definitely played a part in making the UK relatively attractive for firms from the US say, but there are als…

It is wild isn't it - I know it was a blip but when I went to Auz 25 years ago it was AU$2.50 to the pound, EU was 1.67 to the pound when I went on holidays to Greece in my 20s and then when I first went to the states (2008) it was $2.05 to the £.

In 2008 was chatting to a lady in LA who couldn't believe (at that exchange rate) that we paid $7 for a Starbucks - she assumed we were all loaded, and for that trip it certainly felt that way.

But now when I go to the EU or US I feel broke - my money barely goes as far as it used to. I know that my salary has barely kept pace with inflation the last few years, but life in Britain (even with a good job) feels hobbled.

Re: The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job

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As someone who lives in the UK it's pretty depressing that we somehow seem to have succeeded in mismanaging ourselves into being a low-wage economy. The 20% or so depreciation in the pound as a result of brexit, and the subsequent futher devaluation as a result of the chaos of Boris -> Liz Truss -> Rishi Sunak definitely played a part in making the UK relatively attractive for firms from the US say, but there are als…

>As someone who lives in the UK it's pretty depressing that we somehow seem to have succeeded in mismanaging ourselves into being a low-wage economy.

Not sure where you got this from but the UK is far away from a low-wage economy. I once met a British engineer in a bar here in Austria and he was handing over industrial automation activates for relocation of a auto assembly from the UK to Austria, citing the much lower wages in Austria compared to UK.

Re: The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is why Israel, India, and parts of Eastern Europe like Romania, Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine became popular for software outsourcing. Not sure about the rest but it's definitely not easy to fire in Romania at all, and workers there get a lot of mandatory legal benefits like generous sick and parental leave. Unless you hire them B-2-B, which is quite common for high wage outsourcing jobs, then yeah.

"hire B-2-B", a.k.a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_self-employment ?

No, you contract with another business to employ them on your behalf. Legal, common, and much more flexible.

Re: The British Are Coming for Your White-Collar Job

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As someone who lives in the UK it's pretty depressing that we somehow seem to have succeeded in mismanaging ourselves into being a low-wage economy. The 20% or so depreciation in the pound as a result of brexit, and the subsequent futher devaluation as a result of the chaos of Boris -> Liz Truss -> Rishi Sunak definitely played a part in making the UK relatively attractive for firms from the US say, but there are als…

Wasn’t that all set in motion by Thatcher?

Especially the deteriorating economic situation for the entirety of the UK outside of London?

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