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German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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They already did that before until Microsoft offered them new conditions and they went back to MS. So take all those "digital sovereignity" with a grain of salt. It usually means: "We want you to lower your fees".

Sovereignty might have gotten a bit of a priority boost post Nordstream.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Genuine question, is there any other professional field in the world where people work for free like how Software Engineers work in open source?

Huge huge majority of open source (especially famous one) is developed by people that are paid to do so by corporations. So it's a misleading premise.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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> We have no influence on the operating processes of such [proprietary] solutions and the handling of data, including a possible outflow of data to third countries.

All countries should have a strategy to fork open source software and implement it for this reason. They should also share their contributions with the wider Linux community as well, although with the recent xz scandal, pull requests from nation states may be looked at with suspicion.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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post #2

Cool Hopefully they will move 30,000 wonkdows PC's to linux once Microsoft imposes the £61 annual extended security updates fee. let me open my terminal and start up python: 30000*61 1830000 £1,830,000 for the first year extended security updates and will double in consequitive years. A tad greedy! for a few old rotten wonkdows 10 machines. They first collected our data for free, then had the audacity to charge us fo…

Ok now do the cost for moving all other applications from Entra/Active Directory SSO running on Windows to LDAP or some non MS Oauth implementation on Linux. I'm sure replacing all the legacy applications and retraining the government employees on their FOSS alternatives can be done but it's going to take years and burn many many millions in fees for IT suppliers and investigating alternatives. You really need to do it because of ideological considerations because i doubt you'll save a dime the first decade.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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post #16

Did not work well in Munich, my hometown, in 2004. Hope the lessons have been learned. https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/

Microsoft spent so much money to make it fail.

If I remember, there was also an issue around people working in the administration not wanting to get used to new software/ not being able to do some tasks.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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post #44

China started the process of switching from x86 to own architecture (loong-something if I recall correctly). Where Microsoft is essentially not present. I think they use Microsoft products a lot like any other governments. So we might see a big switch to libreoffice soon

LoongArch, I believe

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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The germans have been tinkering with policies mandating non-cloud dependent products for a while wondering if this is a start of it actually getting implemented on a large scale or if the delay attempts will remain successful elsewhere across the region. If this is a start of an actual migration away from cloud dependence, it's a matter of time before windows(which is as cloud dependent as office those days for enter…

Yeah last time with Munich they moved back to MS after MS just so happened to move their HQ to that state.

Microsoft is clearly keen to avoid this becoming a thing. If governments can shift successfully then so can businesses

https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-germany-moves-into-a-new-h...

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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post #59
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft spent so much money to make it fail.

How do they do that? I mean, practically? If the open source solution works, where do Microsoft spend money to make it fail?

I am not saying this was the reason, but it is suspicious that the Munich Linux project was dropped, after Microsoft moved their headquarters back into Munich.

And the reasons given were made up. The recommendation written by Accenture claimed that "users weren't satisfied" while a poll from a newspaper showed that most users were indeed satisfied

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The drive here is to reduce dependencies to locations the state itself have jurisdiction over i.e. things that can be controlled. It's essentially to avoid having the states data taken hostage when the slowly brewing conflict between America's lack of respect for it's foreign partners data protection regulation and the EU's very popular trend towards less and less tolerance for corporate data abuse comes to an head a…

And how do you do that? You think EU companies will stop buying Office 365 subscriptions to reduce their dependency on the US? Companies buy Office 365 subscriptions so they can focus on their main business and don't want to think about their office solution and want something that JustWorks which is already compatible with what everyone else uses. They have a business to run and money to makes, so spending extra tim…

Of course. Same thing will all those environmental laws shenanigans.

Companies are better off investing in short-term gains and leave the governments taking care of the environment and digital accountability of its citizens.

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