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Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Not their fault to be fair. Blame management of Aalto University.

Who is "management?" The author of the article is listed as the university's communications manager so they wouldn't be totally without a voice in these decisions.

It can get quite high in the chain. This is a financial decision - extract value (money) with the cost of other values (principles) and users' privacy.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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And get locked out of 80% of modern life :(

That is just not true. I have not carried a phone or an Google/Apple controlled device in 3+ years and exclusively use FOSS on a personal basis. I live in Silicon Valley, run a b2b tech company, have a huge group of local friends, and have never been excluded from anything I wanted in my life for not having a phone. Paper menus are available if you ask, sms can be converted to VoIP, you do not need Genie Plus to navi…

Do you have to select car parks based on ones that don't require an app? More and more near me require an app to pay for parking.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Is the whole point of all this data collection nonsense really just to serve me irrelevant ads I never click? What are they doing with all this worthless information? I downloaded a shitty freemium mobile game once and now 80% of my Instagram ads have been ads for shitty mobile games for more than a year. Is this really the best the 500k+ a year ad magicians at Meta came up with? Is this what gives Meta its trillion…

To you they are irrelevant ads you never click. To millions of small business they are the only viable way to reach their customers. As tech focussed people we often ignore this or play it down. Facebook (as it’s the most used example) being blocked in a country or region (EU for example) would be devastating thousands/tens of thousands of businesses. The usual reply is “those businesses shouldn’t be so reliant Faceb…

> Facebook (as it’s the most used example) being blocked in a country or region (EU for example) would be devastating thousands/tens of thousands of businesses.

You've stated this as a fact but small businesses thrived before Facebook, so I think it's fair to assume they'll thrive after Facebook is long gone, absent other evidence.

The only type of business I genuinely see suffering are those who advertise crap dropshipped from Alibaba that nobody is looking for organically, sold at 2000% markups, and that would be a good riddance.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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This is a weird flowchart, calling things out weirdly, like “Touch ID or FacelD are stored locally and cannot be accessed by the operating system or applications.” as if that's a negative?

Since they call it out in the article as well, I really want to understand the "fragility of the privacy protections" on TouchID.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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For privacy-conscious people, the authors certainly picked an outlet with plenty of cookies and trackers - this is what the popup shows me when I pick "customise": 17 necessary cookies 7 functional 34 statistics 49 marketing 10 unclassified This kind of thing makes the article seem... ridiculous, really. Their site is much worse at privacy than Apple.

The authors appear to be associated the university which hosts the site. I doubt they are responsible for the engineering decisions behind the site, or that they "picked the outlet" per se. Authors tend not to have carte blanche control over the platforms on which they publish. I don't know why you would judge the content of the article based on that, rather than its own merits, particularly given that the subject of…

The article also has a number of incorrect assumptions regarding how Siri works and what kind of data Apple collects. They do not mention Apple's differential privacy approach, for instance, nor do they seem aware of many iOS improvements in that regard over the past few years. So I don't really consider it a thoroughly researched piece...

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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This is a weird flowchart, calling things out weirdly, like “Touch ID or FacelD are stored locally and cannot be accessed by the operating system or applications.” as if that's a negative? Since they call it out in the article as well, I really want to understand the "fragility of the privacy protections" on TouchID.

That's a great callout. TouchID data never leaves the Secure Enclave, so wondering about privacy implications of that is just ridiculous.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Information doesn't have to be explicitly linked to a person in order to identify them. Search browser fingerprinting as an example. The best policy is really to not collect this information.

> The best policy is really to not collect this information. Quoting from the flowchart: "Touch ID or FacelD are stored locally and cannot be accessed by the operating system or applications." Called out as if it's a bad thing??? It's a really weird flow chart. Meanwhile, Apple did more work on differential privacy than anyone, famously sandbagging their Maps directions / routing by refusing to collect your route A t…

> Across the board, they create incredible hurdles for themselves at great expense.

If they're so privacy-conscious, then why do they violate GDPR by making analytics opt-out rather than opt-in?

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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This article is highly misleading, making it sound like Siri is collecting data from apps and sending it to Apple. This is not the case, Siri Suggestions are fully on-device, though they can sync accross devices with mandatory E2EE. Apple never gets access to any of this data.

Siri suggestions might more accurately be termed "Springboard suggestions". From what I recall, it essentially works as a fuzzy matcher for suggesting applications to launch in similar contexts (time window, previous app used, etc.). It's like a smart history feature, and no, I don't think it ever leaves the device at all or even syncs via iCloud, since I have completely different suggestions across my iPhone and two iPads.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Don't purchase the surveillance device.

And get locked out of 80% of modern life :(

If what you're 'locked out of' is considered 'modern life' that'd make me a Luddite. You can have your 'modern life' and do with it what you want, I'll keep to my ways (where Apple et al fear to tread).

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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"Lindqvist can’t comment directly on how Google's Android works in similar respects" Of course he can't, because its easier to jump on the Apple bashing bandwagon. I suspect if you did a side-by-side comparison, we all know where Android would fall on the privacy spectrum. Give me Apple over Google any day of the week. I expected better from Lindqvist than take part in a biased article like that.

An article on Android security would both be much longer and have much less media attention.
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