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German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by jorvi »

monospaced wrote: post #3

The will likely be using Phoenix: https://www.dataport.de/about-phoenix/ The German government developed a fully free and open source solution that is quite similar (consisting of Nextcloud, jitsi, Collabora etc.) and can be deployed using Kubernetes: https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/opendesk

It’s kind of a bummer that there’s a bunch of these separate OSS initiatives in Spain, France, Germany and a few other countries..

Instead of everyone rolling their own subvariant of Nextcloud, Matrix, LibreOffice etc, imagine if there was an EU mandate set up and some serious money was budgeted to it.

You’d get a triple multiplier of more budget, less duplication of effort, and a self-reinforcing cycle where more use means the product becomes better through contribs which makes use even more attractive.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by Rinzler89 »

daeros wrote: post #29
Stranger43 wrote: post #7

The germans have been tinkering with policies mandating non-cloud dependent products for a while wondering if this is a start of it actually getting implemented on a large scale or if the delay attempts will remain successful elsewhere across the region. If this is a start of an actual migration away from cloud dependence, it's a matter of time before windows(which is as cloud dependent as office those days for enter…

sane policy. Every time Office 365 is down I watch the maddening dash of IT workers who can't get anything done, it's amusing.

What's the alternative? Would they be able to do more without cloud office solutions?

Like in the days long last we used to email .doc files to each other? I doubt it.

Would hosting an on-prem alternative yeld better cost and a higher uptime? I doubt it.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by steve1977 »

Hamuko wrote: post #5
reify wrote: post #2

Cool Hopefully they will move 30,000 wonkdows PC's to linux once Microsoft imposes the £61 annual extended security updates fee. let me open my terminal and start up python: 30000*61 1830000 £1,830,000 for the first year extended security updates and will double in consequitive years. A tad greedy! for a few old rotten wonkdows 10 machines. They first collected our data for free, then had the audacity to charge us fo…

What's the cost of training a bunch of public servants to use Linux?

Zero. Most of these people are probably not proficient in MS Office either. But since they are mostly not doing any real work, it doesn’t matter.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by cbm-vic-20 »

jhgb wrote: post #22
4878241143 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why not just use bc?

You have to be at least 41 years old to remember that bc exists in the first place.

bc is the new thing. dc forever!

(Though "modern" dc and bc are typically packaged together now.)

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by unkoman »

jorvi wrote: post #31
monospaced wrote: post #3

The will likely be using Phoenix: https://www.dataport.de/about-phoenix/ The German government developed a fully free and open source solution that is quite similar (consisting of Nextcloud, jitsi, Collabora etc.) and can be deployed using Kubernetes: https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/opendesk

It’s kind of a bummer that there’s a bunch of these separate OSS initiatives in Spain, France, Germany and a few other countries.. Instead of everyone rolling their own subvariant of Nextcloud, Matrix, LibreOffice etc, imagine if there was an EU mandate set up and some serious money was budgeted to it. You’d get a triple multiplier of more budget, less duplication of effort, and a self-reinforcing cycle where more us…

I think I want less bureaucracy in my development so happy to see multiple versions and letting them battling them out

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by d0gsg0w00f »

icemelt8 wrote: post #23

Genuine question, is there any other professional field in the world where people work for free like how Software Engineers work in open source?

Politics. People want to influence their world and volunteer for local seats. Then they have to figure out how to not be corrupted by the power.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

andrewstuart wrote: post #24

This ship sailed 20 years ago. Who is still fighting this ancient crusade? Pay the small fee, use the Microsoft software, live life. There’s much better battles to fight than the office software one.

The entire IT landscape has changed tremendously in the last 20 years with that cloud-first approach. This is a different fight.

Re: German state moving 30k PCs to LibreOffice

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Post by Stranger43 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #32
daeros wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sane policy. Every time Office 365 is down I watch the maddening dash of IT workers who can't get anything done, it's amusing.

What's the alternative? Would they be able to do more without cloud office solutions? Like in the days long last we used to email .doc files to each other? I doubt it. Would hosting an on-prem alternative yeld better cost and a higher uptime? I doubt it.

The drive here is to reduce dependencies to locations the state itself have jurisdiction over i.e. things that can be controlled.

It's essentially to avoid having the states data taken hostage when the slowly brewing conflict between America's lack of respect for it's foreign partners data protection regulation and the EU's very popular trend towards less and less tolerance for corporate data abuse comes to an head and we see actual blocks being mandated on high-security networks against US data harvesting companies(of which MS is but one).

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