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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

#71

Someone much more tech savvy than me should try to use Charles Proxy on an iOS device and see how often your phone is communicating with Apple servers. It’s pretty wild.

It is wild but not entirely for the reasons someone might think.

I think everyone knows that a good part of the Apple app ecosystem relies on syncing data. I don't think anyone is surprised that a daemon is syncing your photos between your devices/cloud. Add podcasts, ePubs, etc. and you're going to have a busy network on your device. It's a reason in fact I use the cloud, sign in with my Apple ID. I can lose my machine but not my documents.

Maybe the thing that is more along the lines of what you're suggesting though is the network traffic that is seemingly less useful to the user (but useful to Apple). Various frameworks have appeared on the OS that allow apps to share analytics (pretty sure though these are the analytics that you are asked if you want to opt out of on an install/setup).

But because it has become so easy to do (in part because there is a framework to handle it, but also just the ubiquity of the presence of a network) lots of, I think, dumb data is collected to no doubt satisfy management/design as to whether some feature of an app is being used or is not being discovered.

The ubiquity as I say has made it too darn tempting for all parties (Apple and 3rd) to become lazy about how their apps are being used and to become too data hungry themselves.

I had someone recently ask me how I get feedback from my blog posts since there is no comment section, no analytics .... they wondered why I bother blogging at all.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

#72
post #50

I remain shocked anyone trusts Meta, Google, or Apple marketing on privacy. These companies are all fundamentally similar in that their proprietary software collects an insane amount of data that will end up in the hands of your enemies either by sale, court order, or security compromise. It is relatively easy to opt out of all of these companies and take some actual control over your privacy.

What is the easiest way to get comparable smartphone experience with some actual control over your privacy?

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

#73

Someone much more tech savvy than me should try to use Charles Proxy on an iOS device and see how often your phone is communicating with Apple servers. It’s pretty wild.

Does that include things like communicating with Apple APNS? If so then I'm not surprised at all.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

#74
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No engineers at FAANG companies get to think, they do what the board members and execs tell them to.

That's called "Nuremberg defense". It didn't work great in the past.

Not a defense here, just an explanation.

Also c'mon let's not compare two radically different things now.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

#75

Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. At present, this must be done individually for every app, https://www.imore.com/how-stop-siri-learning-how-you-use-app... . When you later install new apps after setting up the device, you have to remember to go into Settings and opt-out again, for every app, forever. How many people know that iOS devices will default to Siri rea…

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People who know that "never leaves your device" is a not a weak guarantee

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

#76
For privacy-conscious people, the authors certainly picked an outlet with plenty of cookies and trackers - this is what the popup shows me when I pick "customise":

    17 necessary cookies
    7 functional 
    34 statistics
    49 marketing
    10 unclassified
This kind of thing makes the article seem... ridiculous, really. Their site is much worse at privacy than Apple.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

#78

Is the whole point of all this data collection nonsense really just to serve me irrelevant ads I never click? What are they doing with all this worthless information? I downloaded a shitty freemium mobile game once and now 80% of my Instagram ads have been ads for shitty mobile games for more than a year. Is this really the best the 500k+ a year ad magicians at Meta came up with? Is this what gives Meta its trillion…

>I can't wrap my head around data collection.

After Microsoft bought Skype, they changed it from p2p to centralized, so all calls were routed through NSA PRISM. This also had the result of making calls laggier and worse quality.

I think there might be a bit of that sort of thing going on in other places too.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

#79

Someone much more tech savvy than me should try to use Charles Proxy on an iOS device and see how often your phone is communicating with Apple servers. It’s pretty wild.

You should look at developer tools on a website. It makes all these web requests! It's pretty wild!

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

#80
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple can remotely execute code on any internet connected device running an proprietary Apple operating system. It is only a matter of time before courts realize this. The CCP controls the Apple software signing HSMs in China for a reason.

But if this is your threat model - that you have no trust of the operating system or the vendor - then all of this is pointless because at any time they can just backdoor themselves. Apple could just never ask or collect this, but still they're one update away from starting to collect it. Of course that's always a threat with any computer, but you must place some amount of trust somewhere .

> from starting to collect it.

So even then they would have no data before that point!

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