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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by willvarfar »

walterbell wrote: post #11
klausa wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can just disable Siri if you're that concerned? Edit: Turns out — you can't! See the reply below.

From the article: The user is given the option to enable or not enable Siri, Apple's virtual assistant. But enabling only refers to whether you use Siri's voice control. Siri collects data in the background from other apps you use, regardless of your choice, unless you understand how to go into the settings and specifically change that,’ says Lindqvist.

Not condoning or anything, but perhaps the thinking is that, if the user can re-enabling siri at a later date, they don't want siri to start with no memory?

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by ksec »

The word privacy means so many different things to different people it is hard to discuss about it without first defining it.

The word "privacy" in modern sense has been twisted to mean anonymous. So any data collection in absolute terms is an invasion of Privacy. Hence the confusion.

The word "privacy" in Apple sense was that only they can collect information about you. But not any other third party without permissions. And those permission are guided by both user interest and obviously their business interest.

The word "privacy" where data collected about you are randomised and profiled you to certain category of interest will be an invasion of privacy depending on which company is doing it. For Google with their replacement of Cookies it is absolutely wrong. For Apple they are protecting their customer.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by amelius »

zakki wrote: post #24
walterbell wrote: post #9

Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. At present, this must be done individually for every app, https://www.imore.com/how-stop-siri-learning-how-you-use-app... . When you later install new apps after setting up the device, you have to remember to go into Settings and opt-out again, for every app, forever. How many people know that iOS devices will default to Siri rea…

The best solution is to set this as opt-in instead.

And not one with dark patterns where you are asked to opt-in multiple times at inconvenient moments.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by walterbell »

willvarfar wrote: post #31
walterbell wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: The user is given the option to enable or not enable Siri, Apple's virtual assistant. But enabling only refers to whether you use Siri's voice control. Siri collects data in the background from other apps you use, regardless of your choice, unless you understand how to go into the settings and specifically change that,’ says Lindqvist.

Not condoning or anything, but perhaps the thinking is that, if the user can re-enabling siri at a later date, they don't want siri to start with no memory?

If/when a user actively consents to "learn from app", it's no different than setting up a new device, e.g. mail downloaded from IMAP server, data transferred from old device, or from cloud services.

Now imagining a EULA for Helpful Pre-Stalking..

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by Rygian »

ksec wrote: post #33

The word privacy means so many different things to different people it is hard to discuss about it without first defining it. The word "privacy" in modern sense has been twisted to mean anonymous. So any data collection in absolute terms is an invasion of Privacy. Hence the confusion. The word "privacy" in Apple sense was that only they can collect information about you. But not any other third party without permissi…

Is it PII? Yes, because it's linked to your personal Apple account, that identifies you as an individual to the data controller (Apple, as they are the ones deciding which data to collect and how it will be used).

Is it pseudonymized? No

Is it fully anonymized? No

Is the user given transparent information about which data is collected, how it is used, for which purposes? No

Is the user given the choice to object to the usage of that data? No

You can't have privacy with this pattern of responses.

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