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Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by xanderlewis »

bheadmaster wrote: post #25
croes wrote: post #6

So the other way aroun, physical sick and mentally healthy, isn't a problem? Isn't it about curability and pain?

I believe this is yet another case of people being skeptical about the very existence of mental illness. Euthanasia for incurable cancer patients is a no-brainer, but for incurable depression sufferers? Well, their bodies are healthy. What if it's just a phase they'll grow out of? Maybe they're just faking it? They should probably be more grateful for the gifts they've received from God, and they'll be happy. Maybe t…

> Euthanasia for incurable cancer patients is a no-brainer

This is absolutely not a universally held belief.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by tmelm »

Rough read.

It's hard for me to even imagine such a state of mind, and the suffering one experiences. Somehow the fact that the euthanization takes place in your own home gives me the creeps. I really wonder what drives people to work in this space? In the case of pets or animals being put down it's a vet that does the deed, is it doctors in this case?

Also, her therapist claiming that "There’s nothing more we can do for you. It’s never gonna get any better" sounds like an enormous red flag for me. Some authority should take a long hard look at a professional therapist speaking like that, especially considering the proximity/possibility of human euthanasia, or just suicide in general.

I was positive to euthanasia before this article (I had considered it primarily for terminally ill people and such), but this really turned me off. I can't believe we made suicide a legal depression cure before when there's been so much talk about shrooms/acid and such perhaps being helpful.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by [deleted] »

geraldwhen wrote: post #17
sneak wrote: post #4

I wish more countries recognized the ultimate and inviolable right to self ownership. If we aren’t free to destroy ourselves if we so desire, we aren’t actually free.

This person isn’t destroying themself. They’re forcing someone else to do it for them, and they’re shitposting online for eyeballs in the meantime. They could die at any time. This is an elaborate show by someone who needs to be told “no” and given a clear direction.

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Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by tibbydudeza »

My BIL suffered from depression all his life - ups and downs and sometimes he had to get electroshock therapy when the meds did not work.

The last time I saw him he was just like a zombie from all the medications he was on.

He committed suicide just before Xmas a few years back and I had to wait for the coroner and the cops before I could move the step ladder and they kindly removed the rope from the beam.

I wished he had a more dignified option available to him and that his wife did not find him like that but I doubt his family would have accepted his decision to end his own life.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by bluescrn »

bowsamic wrote: post #7
sneak wrote: post #4

I wish more countries recognized the ultimate and inviolable right to self ownership. If we aren’t free to destroy ourselves if we so desire, we aren’t actually free.

You have to make an argument that freedom is inherently good, which is not obvious to me. I think it's good to force people to do things in many situations

I don't think we should trust 'the state' to force people to do anything.

We generally need them to force people not to do a few really bad things (e.g. some basic laws), but in recent decades it feels that the concept of freedom has been under relentless attack and in an era without religion, the state is almost becoming a substitute for a god.

But these days it seems that our leaders are motivated almost entirely by profit. They will not do what is best for the average individual.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by Wytwwww »

zer00eyz wrote: post #22
noname120 wrote: post #8

I wonder if she tried MAOIs. Those are criminally underused. https://www.psychotropical.com/10-patient-stories-a-long-sto...

Maybe because leftovers can kill you if you're on them. They have gnarly side effects. SSRI's as well.

> leftovers can kill you

Still probably worth a try, I mean doesn't seem like a big deal at all considering these circumstances.

Also IIRC modern(ish) MAOIs are a lot safer.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by deugtniet »

This article is disingenuous by only referring to expert opinion from a Christian university, which is obviously against euthanasia. Experts from other universities would provide a more nuanced view on the subject. Furthermore when the article discusses an increase in numbers, they don't mention that 60% of euthanasia is performed for individuals who suffer from late stage cancer. Most others are generally very old, and will only suffer without remit for the rest of their lives.

The procedure for this woman to have been granted euthanasia is not something that is easy to get through. It is mentioned she has suffered from this disease for all of her life and there is no cure. Multiple medical doctors need to be in agreement before a request for euthanasia is granted in any case. There is even more scrutiny when it is about a young person as well as when the disease is mental in nature.

In all, I hated reading this article, because it's extremely far from the truth about how the Netherlands have implemented their euthanasia laws. I suggest reading up on it from more reputable sources than `the mirror`

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by ranguna »

iagooar wrote: post #5

I am terrified of the thought of legally killing people and this article has made me feel quite odd, even slightly sick I would say. My gut just screams at me: this is wrong. And I cannot help. The rational arguments do not convince me at all. Call me old fashioned or whatever but this is how I feel about it, and since there is an article about this I imagine that there might be certain interest in this being out of…

My gut reaction is actually the opposite of yours, I feel a bit relieved knowing there's one less human living in unbearable pain.

Life is complex and it is not within me to fully comprehend everything that everyone around me is feeling, all I can do is help to the best of my abilities and respect others decisions.

As for the reason why this is an article, it's probably because this is quite new for a lot of people, like when antibiotics was first found. At first it was the news of the century and was advertised on the news, now it's just common practice and you don't even know when doctors use it on another human.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by rschiavone »

iagooar wrote: post #5

I am terrified of the thought of legally killing people and this article has made me feel quite odd, even slightly sick I would say. My gut just screams at me: this is wrong. And I cannot help. The rational arguments do not convince me at all. Call me old fashioned or whatever but this is how I feel about it, and since there is an article about this I imagine that there might be certain interest in this being out of…

If a person has tried every other option and there is still no end to their pain, either physical or psychological, they would sooner or later try to end their life anyway.

It is in the best interest of everybody to offer assisted suicide at a set time and date instead of taking the matter into their own hands and leaving family, friends and first responders with the trauma of discovering a body.

Re: Physically healthy 28-year-old woman schedules euthanasia due to depression

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Post by bheadmaster »

bowsamic wrote: post #13
bheadmaster wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You have to make an argument that freedom is inherently good, which is not obvious to me Your next sentence holds that assumption as obvious: > I think it's good to force people to do things in many situations Why do you think you should have freedom to even think, let alone decide, what is good for other people?

> Why do you think you should have freedom to even think, let alone decide, what is good for other people? It's not necessarily good for each person, but good for society. Also I don't even know if I should have that freedom, that would be something we would have to philosophically investigate.

You seem to be using the word "good" as if it's universally understood and agreed upon, but that's not the case.

Why do you even think you should have the freedom to decide what's "good" in the first place?

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