The problem is that fentanyl is very strong, and drug traffickers have very poor quality controls. The LD50 is 0.03 mg/kg in monkeys, so if humans are like monkeys, a 70 kg human has a 50% chance of dying after ingesting 2 mg of fentanyl. A 1 mg pill of pure fentanyl would be very tiny. So drug traffickers mix the fentanyl with baking soda, tramadol, starch, whatever cheap additive they can get their hands on. Each t…
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#82The problem is that fentanyl is very strong, and drug traffickers have very poor quality controls. The LD50 is 0.03 mg/kg in monkeys, so if humans are like monkeys, a 70 kg human has a 50% chance of dying after ingesting 2 mg of fentanyl. A 1 mg pill of pure fentanyl would be very tiny. So drug traffickers mix the fentanyl with baking soda, tramadol, starch, whatever cheap additive they can get their hands on. Each t…
Do routine users build up some tolerance?
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Legalize it in what manner? Fentanyl is legal - it’s used by hospitals all over the country. Should you be able to buy opium at the corner store? I’m not sure that would be good for almost anyone given the dependence you build on it very quickly. What’s the Bull case for more people having easy access to opium products ?
The pragmatic argument is to have a regulated and legally accountable supply chain that results in predictable dosing with known substances and amounts. How many people are overdosing on known good prescription pain pills compared to random shit mixed by street dealers?
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#84Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.
Everything "natural" that can make you addicted to, is the same as synthetically made stuff that makes you addicted to.
The problem is here not in the market or lacking regulations. The problem is that you have personality changing, highly addictive, dangerous stuff. Mary Jane, alcohol and tacos is enough of regulated.
Advocating here doesn't take into account that the advocatee kills. It's not harmless.
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I’m not sure legalization would change much: fentanyl is so popular as a street drug because it is so cheap. Providing a much more expensive alternative isn’t going to suck away demand from the illicit version
These are not intrinsically expensive chemicals. A small charity could give it away for free. I would wager dysfunctional drug addicts don't value their time too highly, and wouldn't be put out by having to talk to someone every day to get their fix. Meanwhile it's a great place to push interventions. It's obvious fundamentalist prohibition is straight up not working.
You have a romantic view on drugs. In such, you either are really young (and still idealistic, which is good but lacking life's experiences) or you never drink more than a beer and don't really have contact to the addicted.
The aim should be to get them off this, so they stop doing EVERYthing just for getting the next high. The aim is not to even supply more of these highs to them.
You have to take it away and to help the people. Or they will take something away from you (just as it is meant in EVERYthing for the next high..)
I say no. I'm not agreeing here.
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#86Why not make trafficking the big F an offense punishable with lethal injection? Seems just.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some time ago, when I was a young man with right-wing persuasions, I listened to the arguments of left-wingers like John Oliver in favour of legalization. I was convinced. Let the free market sort itself out, I thought. Boy did ever I take a sharp turn towards the political center on this in the years since. Some regulations have a very high return on investment, and controlling/banning the crap out of fentanyl is on…
Because street fentanyl is currently illegal, it has zero quality control, and people wind up dead taking doses that they didn't intend. Because it contaminates other drugs, people who don't intend to take fentanyl sometimes wind up dead from it. We would be better off if people could purchase drugs legally from places that have stringent quality control so doses could be properly controlled.
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These kind of conspiracy theories always remind me of the quote:
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#90The problem is that fentanyl is very strong, and drug traffickers have very poor quality controls. The LD50 is 0.03 mg/kg in monkeys, so if humans are like monkeys, a 70 kg human has a 50% chance of dying after ingesting 2 mg of fentanyl. A 1 mg pill of pure fentanyl would be very tiny. So drug traffickers mix the fentanyl with baking soda, tramadol, starch, whatever cheap additive they can get their hands on. Each t…
I used to work on software for simulating mixing tanks in factories. Doing high quality mixing of powders is a major engineering challenge even for large companies.