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Light Table is in YCS12

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Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by kamaal »

ibdknox wrote: post #9
reiddraper wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the release dates for Kickstarter backers changing at all?

If they do, they'll be getting better, not worse.

Well do not even think of the term 'delay' or 'slip in schedule'. You have beaten up enough hype to keep people on toes expecting this thing to come out.

In fact it will be very interesting if we see commit logs on something like Github. A lot of people follow a certain project(s) which they like.

That may also help you test and flush out bugs as needed while soliciting feedback.

All the best and expecting to see a solid product out!

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by spamizbad »

streptomycin wrote: post #30
ckrailo wrote: post #23

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Ugh, please avoid the GPL. Go for Apache or BSD or something more free.

It's a standalone piece of software, not a library. How does it being GPL affect you?

Well, for one, you can't make small modifications to the code and then resell it as a commercial product with the original author's copyrights tucked away in an about box. You'd actually have to release the source code too. It will be harder to convince customers you've added value if they can see exactly what you've changed.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by kamaal »

JackC wrote: post #22
gaius wrote: post #8

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What will a "license" for LT then include?

The Kickstarter says that it might get you access to a packaged build, and that the price might be pay-what-you-want -- sounds a lot like the NeoOffice business model ( https://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/mirrors.php?file=NeoOff... ). But making money from open source projects is hard enough, and varied enough, that it makes sense to spend a lot of time thinking about and experimenting with this one before committin…

If LightTable wants to be the 'Eclipse' of clojure and Python then it needs to be open source.

Mass adoption, patches, test cases, design, feedback and money comes only when it reaches crazy adoption and a lot of people hack on it.

That is why it is important for LightTable to release a minimal usable version ASAP and then improve it in further releases.

All this needs a open source set up. A Cathedral set up earlier but a bazaar set up later.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by Frozenlock »

spamizbad wrote: post #32
streptomycin wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a standalone piece of software, not a library. How does it being GPL affect you?

Well, for one, you can't make small modifications to the code and then resell it as a commercial product with the original author's copyrights tucked away in an about box. You'd actually have to release the source code too. It will be harder to convince customers you've added value if they can see exactly what you've changed.

"It will be harder to convince customers you've added value if they can see exactly what you've changed."

I don't get it... is your added value simply an illusion?

If they can see what you've changed the code, they should be able to see why and how you added value.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by ibdknox »

spamizbad wrote: post #32
streptomycin wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a standalone piece of software, not a library. How does it being GPL affect you?

Well, for one, you can't make small modifications to the code and then resell it as a commercial product with the original author's copyrights tucked away in an about box. You'd actually have to release the source code too. It will be harder to convince customers you've added value if they can see exactly what you've changed.

We have some ideas on how we'll facilitate that. There will definitely be ways for people to sell plugins they create and or for large companies to keep them closed source.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by andrewcross »

ibdknox wrote: post #18
zumbojo wrote: post #16

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Did you apply to YC, or were you invited to YC? (I am curious how the process works for startups that already have significant traction before joining YC. Humble Bundle comes to mind.)

We had actually applied previously with a totally different idea, but then Light Table blew up and we resubmitted late.

I'd always been curious about what needs to happen for a late application to be accepted. Thanks for the transparency!

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by pnathan »

Congratulations!

Do you anticipate using the SLIME/SWANK style backends? Reason why I ask is because I do a lot of Common Lisp coding and this would be an interesting project to give a spin.

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by iharris »

scarredwaits wrote: post #12
ibdknox wrote: post #3

We normally would wait to announce this until it was time to drum up the press machine, but it was more important to us that you guys know what's going on. If anyone has specific questions/concerns, I'll be lurking.

I initially donated to make sure light table becomes a reality, but I will not withdraw my donation because I think this is a very worthwhile project and I still feel proud to support it. In other words: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!

Seconded! I think you guys are building something great here, and I can't wait to take it for a spin. Keep it up!

Re: Light Table is in YCS12

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Post by freshhawk »

spamizbad wrote: post #32
streptomycin wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a standalone piece of software, not a library. How does it being GPL affect you?

Well, for one, you can't make small modifications to the code and then resell it as a commercial product with the original author's copyrights tucked away in an about box. You'd actually have to release the source code too. It will be harder to convince customers you've added value if they can see exactly what you've changed.

I have to know: Was this is an ironic statement?

No one is taking it as one, but poe's law aside I'm convinced they are wrong.

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