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Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas

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Re: Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas

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They're putting a lot of effort into carefully not including easily comparable numbers on their website. There's numbers, they might be impressive for the technology, but where do they sit relative to commercial production?

It can be more but by how much? To me, the consumer, "renewable hydrocarbons" is worth a pretty substantial premium, but they're not enthusiastic to tell me what that is or where they think it's headed.

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#172

What are some applications where its worth taking the highest grade energy (electricity) and turning it into a lower grade (eg liquid fuels), rather than electrifying the application? Electricity to motion is significantly more efficient per input energy than burning fuel->heat-> gaseous expansion->drive a piston->convert to rotation chain. What am I missing about this?

The only way a technology like this will help get us to carbon zero is using it in places where there is not much hope of replacing electricity. While small elective airplanes have been demonstrated, it doesn't seem like we will be able to build, in the next couple of decades, large electric airplanes that can substantially replace current fuel powered ones. This would require the additional step of converting methan…

Electricity/energy consumption of developing world is going to be at least twice today's value. Better this than coal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seasonal storage of energy is likely only practical in fuel form. Also, there is no easy pathway to electricity to high temperature heat.

I'm guessing you mean high temperature + high energy (ie lots of watts). Cause lasers can do high temp rn, right?

Yes

Re: Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas

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While this is impressive to some degree I just today watched Climate Town’s “Natural Gas is Scamming America” ( https://youtu.be/K2oL4SFwkkw ) and the entire natural gas industry is tainted beyond belief for me now. It’s not like they were a positive thing in my view before, but on the whole natural gas seems to be just as if not more detrimental than coal for climate change mainly due to how much is leaked out but a…

I feel the same vibe too about this. If methane leak is an issue, H2 leakage will be a bigger issue. It's far more prone to leakage and far more corrosive.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10311-021-01322-8

an interesting paper for you :)

Re: Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas

#176

While this is impressive to some degree I just today watched Climate Town’s “Natural Gas is Scamming America” ( https://youtu.be/K2oL4SFwkkw ) and the entire natural gas industry is tainted beyond belief for me now. It’s not like they were a positive thing in my view before, but on the whole natural gas seems to be just as if not more detrimental than coal for climate change mainly due to how much is leaked out but a…

If the natural gas is captured from the atmosphere, a spill will be bad, but no worse than before the capture happened, right?

what kind of natural gas?

Re: Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas

#178

As a "carbon industry" observer, this is pretty exciting news. I've had my eye on Terraform Industries for a while and love what they're doing; they're one of the few groups that actually seem to understand the implications of what it will take to shift to a carbon-neutral economy, and their core insight about the economics of atmospheric fuel synthesis is one of those "obvious when you hear it" ideas: solar electric…

I really wonder about unintended consequences. It's exciting to be able to store solar as methane because we can "plug" this new synthetic methane easily into existing infrastructure. (But we have to get better at leak management!)

However, you almost always go through huge underground methane pockets when drilling for oil. So oil drilling stations vent / flare methane when they can't "off site" it, like when natural gas pipelines are at capacity. In those moments, the price of methane actually drops below zero--I've seen it at -$1.20 per MMBtu as recently as this year! Essentially you are paying someone to get rid of the stuff for you.

So... if we flood the market with new, cost-effective synthetic methane... will companies just flare more of it as we drill for oil?

Re: Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas

#179

As a "carbon industry" observer, this is pretty exciting news. I've had my eye on Terraform Industries for a while and love what they're doing; they're one of the few groups that actually seem to understand the implications of what it will take to shift to a carbon-neutral economy, and their core insight about the economics of atmospheric fuel synthesis is one of those "obvious when you hear it" ideas: solar electric…

I really wonder about unintended consequences. It's exciting to be able to store solar as methane because we can "plug" this new synthetic methane easily into existing infrastructure. (But we have to get better at leak management!) However, you almost always go through huge underground methane pockets when drilling for oil. So oil drilling stations vent / flare methane when they can't "off site" it, like when natural…

Well it’s still carbon neutral though right

Re: Terraform makes carbon neutral natural gas

#180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wonder about unintended consequences. It's exciting to be able to store solar as methane because we can "plug" this new synthetic methane easily into existing infrastructure. (But we have to get better at leak management!) However, you almost always go through huge underground methane pockets when drilling for oil. So oil drilling stations vent / flare methane when they can't "off site" it, like when natural…

Well it’s still carbon neutral though right

Carbon molecules yes. But methane was a significantly higher (80x) greenhouse gas potential than CO2. So it's definitely not neutral in that regard.
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